2/5 spread limit 100 max

Hero (tag) (280$)- QQ udg raise 5x
Villain (unknown) (430$) - flats late position.
Blinds fold

Flop - Jc 7c 5h

Hero leads 35 into 50. Villain raises to 135. Hero reraises all in. Villain quickly calls. Villain shows (KK).
Is there anyway the hero is not getting stacked in this spot?
Thanks for all inputs.

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I think this is fairly easy to get away from a lot of the time here, depending on the read of the player. If he's a LAG, maybe you stack off, but you're only beating AK/AQ/AJ/TT here.

Granted, it's tough to put him on AA/KK here, but you're now behind against those, and 3 hands that flopped sets. When you bet and he raises on this flop, in position, I feel I'm folding to most players who aren't pretty LAG.

Then again, I probably would've stacked off to him anyway cos I'm terrible at following my own advice.

Really hard to be constructive here because you've given the results in your OP

Next time ask the forum about your decision once Villain re raises on the flop and you'll make it far easier for people to reply in a helpful way

Spiking your 2 outer is a good way to avoid getting stacked IMO.

In seriousness, it's all about putting together villain's range based on observation or just generalities. How often are they raising worse made hands (top pair) and draws (OESD, FD, Combo), compared to made hands that beat us, like 2pr or a set or the infrequent over pair? We can assume your average LLSNL villain will raise those better made hands MUCH more frequently than those draws/marginal hands, but there are less combos of better made hands. The board is wet, though, so don't put a TPTK or TPGK spaz past them. On phone so I really can't do an equity calc

@feel wrath thanks for the input. This is my first post so I will need to learn to word them a little better. You can expect to hear a lot from me.

@thamel18.I usually play 1/2 live but I decided to take a shot at 2/5. Anyways I agree because most of the live players are pretty bad but with a few exceptions. I assumed villain would 3bet pre with AA,KK, prob not JJ because I had a solid table image. I guess its possible he spiked a set with JJ,77, or 55.
And he didn't seem like the type of player to reraise with the flush draw. Maybe a combo draw. Could you please run the equity calc? I also need to learn the formula

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I fold the first time here with less than AA. AJ is a very marginal hand for this kind of action, and live v's are more frequently too passive than too aggressive.

what about raising again and checking the turn if you dont improve?

I say "f it". V didn't re-raise pre-flop - wtf? Who smooth calls 5x with kk?

That being said, there are a ton of draws; from combo osed/flush to pair with flush draw, etc.

There are also 2pr and sets to add to his range.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I assure you, I am not good enough to think this deeply during the hand abd I am stacking off too...BUT.

We have to go back to ranges, but not just the range of cards he could hold but where those cards fit into his "action" ranges. There are the folding range, the calling range, and the raising range.

Do tptk and oesd OR naked flush draws sit within his raising range or his calling range? His raising range should include any of the combo draws, 2pr, and sets. I don't consider any of the above to be semi-bluffs as any of them have more equity than your hand does. No re-raise preflop actually discounts qq/kk/aa as being in his range here IMO. Even if you add all the semi-bluff naked oesd and naked flush draw combos, I believe you have under 50% equity, but I don't have poker stove in front if me.

So, in short, with enough actual thought into the villain's raising range AND being able to look past your own overpair, a fold is the right move. To reiterate, in the heart of battle, I am also stacking off here, but it is a mistake.

Hero has 280 to start the hand, 25 went in preflop and hero bet 50 and v just raised from 50 to 135. Even a minraise makes hero pot committed. I find it hard to even flat the 135 with only 120 behind AND so many turn cards that kill any equity he has now. 3 betting without shoving is horrible given the stack sizes. Name any turn card that you aren't calling your last 35 with after you mib reraised the flop. Flatting the raise is horrible given the stack sizes. He has two choices... lose 75 and walk away with 205 to pick a better spot or shove. For the reasons in my previous reply, it's a puke-fold.

then i'd probably get stacked off as well

That's the only way to avoid getting stacked. If he isn't raising draws, he range is narrowed to overpairs and sets.

That said, given the tendency today in LLSNL for players to raise TP hands and FD, I'd have to have a good read on the villain not to stack off.

OP, please don't include results. Too late to edit them out now.

Also, please give reads. At least you can tell us V's age, gender, ethnicity, dress, etc.

With SPR of 5-1 and overpair on a drawy board, always getting stacked except against nittiest OMC, though.

One thing that I failed to take into account was the "dead money". As played, there is $160 dead in the center, so while I still feel you have under 50% equity, with 205 left in your stack, you'd have to have well under 50% card equity to make the fold correct - just due to the pot equity. If card equity < pot equity, fold, but stack size makes your decision easier.

However, one huge mistake many pokers make is assuming that the opponent is bluffing. If villain thought you raised 5x preflop AND donked into him on the flop for 5/6 of pot, and is just raising because he thinks you're bluffing, he's an idiot. Likewise, you MUST understand that he shouldn't be raising you without something pretty strong. If you're both $1500 deep, and the villain thinks you're "smart enough to fold", then perhaps there's a "move" to be made here as a bluff. With these stack sizes, a bluff is foolish. Granted, no one suggested a bluff by villain, I'm just pointing out the fallacy that the bluffing range of any player is as large as new players want to believe.

I don't know, even when V seems to be a LAG, I get burnt by these situations. I am coming to a frame of mind that it's probably almost never a bad idea to fold to any raise when you hold 1-pair at 1/2.

Last night, 1/2, I get AA and open raise to $15. Get two callers. Flop is fairly wet 895cc. I bet out $40, V makes it $90. I have only about 2 orbits of experience at this table and I've seen V raise the flop with a draw followed by a successful all-in bluff (for over $100) on a river when his draw missed. V has about $300 and I cover. So I shove and he calls with 99.

@garick Yes. I will not include the results from now on. Villain was an older Asian gentlement . Seemed like a decent player. I wasn't expecting any real bluffs I'm his range. With him flatting pre and at the level of play at these stakes. I really expected him to stack off with AJ,KJ but I guess that's best case scenario. I guess most of the time we are up against 2 pair and sets when we get repopped on the flop?

Also thanks for all the replys!

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if you fold in this spot, you are prob folding every hand but JJ and AKcc
readless, we are short, top of our range, happily get it in.

I see PLENTY of players flat in spots like these with AA/KK at these limits. Even saw someone do it with QQ yesterday. :/

Without more knowledge/history with V and playing short stacked (less than 60BB)...just think you're getting stacked here.

I had a very similar situation a couple of nights ago. I had KK and the flop came Q high. I b/c'ed the flop and c/c'ed an almost pot sized shove on a blank turn. Villain showed AQ and MHIG. The board was fairly dry on the flop.

I feel like these spots are so villain, image, and game flow dependent. The villain in my hand was a regular capable of making a move, and I think my image was pretty nitty. He was one of maybe two players at the table I was stacking off to in that situation.

I'm still not convinced I made the right play in the long run, but it did open my eyes to how seemingly standard TAGish regulars can just decide to spew in random spots.

Yeah in my games I stack off here against most players unless I have read otherwise.

However, last week I stacked off preflop with 100bb deep at 1/2 with KK vs AA while waiting for a 2/5 game and lost. V was an unknown mid 40's guy.

Then the next day I stacked off preflop with 140bb deep with KK vs AA at a 2/5 game and lost. V was a competent winning TAG 20's white male, that I have tons of history with and I usually always crush him.

So I am currently a little gun shy with KK but luckily I'm well rolled for my game and can roll with the punches.

Grunch.
Pretty standard stackoff here. You have to expect KK+ to 3bet pre always so you really only lose to JJ, 77, 55, and 75s. Looks like AJ, KJ may raise this flop and also there are lots of combo draws that can raise here.

Study SPR. you have an spr of 5 and only start with a little over 50bb. cant really fold here. you can fold against people who dont raise Jx or combo draws here but thats about it

It'd be best to change the title to Raised on the Flop, and then in the thread ask what to do. Because this statement pretty much gives away you called and lost.

Even then 99% of the time people post threads where they called (and lost) so you usually have to try hard to obscure what happened.

I think 99% of people are going to call just like you did. Villain's range is usually 90%+ draws.