Hero is tag and solid with $2000
Villian is tag but has some fishy/spewy tendencies. 90% of the time his 3bets are premiums, and only rarely as a bluff. He has a hard time getting away from his premiums postflop. He views hero as extremely solid but capable of making plays. $2000

9 handed
Hero open raises from MP/LJ to $20
Folds to villian who 3bets button to $70

What is the absolute rock bottom of your calling range this deep and oop

Playing 400bb deep eff I think you can call wide if you are a good enough post flop player and if you are 90% sure V is only 3 betting premiums is should be easy to get away from any hands on the flop that don't hit. I think calling 98s type hands is fine and probably all pocket pairs.

72o. And no, I'm not trolling. If he'll stack off 400BB with AA on a 8732T board, I'll play any two this deep HU.

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I think there's a distinct difference between "has a hard time getting away from premiums" and "stacks off 400bb with an overpair".

That said I'm calling with any pp, dumping weaker unsuited Ax/Kx, and playing some suited connectors.

I'm not going to get too out of line here. Any PP and AK are getting played, obviously 4-betting premium pairs. I probably play some bigger SC's like JTs/QJs that when they hit will also connect with his range increasing our chances of getting paid. I find the likelihood that you get 400bb stacks in when you hit your hand is a lot less likely than you would expect.

I agree and in real life, you're not going to be able to get HU 400BB deep with someone that is going to stack off without the near nuts. I took this as a theoretical question with no practical application.

As soon as you start down the slope of guessing where that limit is for a player, there's going to be no solution because everyone is going to image different villain characteristics. If that's what the OP wants, the thread is pointless and will be locked.

I think my post is extremely valid and is a common situation that occurs in llsnl. In fact while the title says "theoretical situation" this situation in fact happened to me last night while grinding. I therefore began to wonder what would in fact be the bottom of my calling range in this spot.

7-2o isnt valid either, for a myriad of reasons, but first and foremost because a solid player should not be raising 7-2o from the LJ.

I feel like the absolute bottom in this spot would be any pair obv and T8s+, maaaybe 97s+. And I'm unsure about suited aces. I think most of the time suited aces would be a 4bet/fold, but this deep maybe a call isnt so bad? I'll leave my thoughts there and see where the discussion goes.

4bet bluffing is spew if he's only 3betting premiums.

If you know that a 3bet is a premium hand, what is the difference between T8s and 53s?

The bottom of your calling range should be the bottom of your opening range.

For the reasons that venice already stated.

We are getting 40:1 IO on our money.
We know that villain has a hard time laying down premium hands.
We feel that there is a reasonable chance that we can get 150-250 bb in the middle on reasonable boards.
We feel a good about our reads on the player.
We feel confident in our post flop game.

What are you trying to accomplish with a 4bet? Or a 4bet fold?

I think 4betting this villain with anything less than a premium is spew city.

We know that he's primarily 3betting premiums here. So, we know that the vast majority of the time we are not doing well against his range. And occasionally dominated. We are never gaining folding equity against him as he doesn't want to lay his hands down. So, lets just flat, see a flop and stack him on favorable run outs.

i probably wouldnt have a 4b range at all in this spot

seriously doubt that calling all hands in your open range will show a profit here. i think your range is reasonable, although i might call a bit wider to include some lower suited 1 gappers. suited aces are probably fine, although id rather have a sc.

The real question is, do you ever have a folding range in this spot? The answer is no. If you're opening anything that is folding to this 3bet you shouldn't have been opening it in the first place. (Like 72o for example)

why do you think this?

53s is not in his LJ range. Duh.

I've seen LAGgy players raise in back with 62 and 43... so to say that 53s isn't in a LJ range isn't accurate. If the table plays passive and nitty, raising in LJ with a lot of trash isn't always bad.

That being said... I agree with Venice that anything you're raising with - you should call with based on IO.