1/2 Live 10 handed.

V1 - MAWG who I honestly believe was involved in some kind of "Brewster's Millions" challenge where he had to give away money. Callingest of call stations. I don't remember the exact action and bet sizes but there was a hand where he got to the river with about $165 against two other players. The board was QdJdTd9d3c. Betting and raising went crazy on the river and this guy said the word "call" three times, all the way to the felt, and showed up with 6s7d. Any pair on any board any time. Folds his air all the time post flop. So far he has opened when folded to him 100% of the time, even with crap. Seen him do it a few times in the last two hours with K5, 97o, Q2s and some other junk. He'll also call raises and limp/call with anything preflop. He talked about playing exclusively tournaments before this (though I can't imagine how) He has $40

V2 - Middle aged asian guy. Looks kinda run down. It's about 11 am and this guy looks like he's been awake for a loooooong time. Just joined the table and is in the SB after posting three hands ago from UTG+2 He has $300

Hero - Best looking player at the table has about $250

Folds to V1 in HJ and he raises to $10. Folds to V2 who calls

Hero has A8ss and raises to $35. I bet $35 here because I thought that's what villain had. If I had correctly counted his chips, I would have bet $40.

I just figured I could get V1's stack in the middle with some of V2's dead money and be in great shape. However, V2 calls.

$105 in the pot to the flop of 8 - 7 - 3, all clubs.

V2 checks

Hero has a brain fart and bets pot with TPTK. I guess I was thinking I was way ahead of V1, and wanted to get to showdown against just him. I didn't want to give V2 any shot at making a four-flush wish some crap hand.

Also stack sizes are weird now. If I bet $60 and got called, I didn't really know what I would do on the turn, even on a safe-ish card like the Jack of hearts.

V1 puts his last $5 in, and V2 declares "gamble gamble" in a thick asian accent and goes all in.

Hero has Top pair, top kicker and is now getting >4 to 1

Perplexed on what to do on the flop. Checking seems bad. Betting smaller than pot seems to lead to sicko turn spots. Betting pot led to this sicko spot. Shove? Give up?

Not seeing the problem here. 105 is too big for the flop bet, but we're certainly not putting in half our stack and then folding TPTK

I thinks given V2 is calling $25 more here all day, flat or raise big.

so you squeezed out of the blinds with A8s?

umm, no thanks. fold pre.

then you get called by 2 guys and bet pot into a (essentially) dry side pot?

again, i dont see the point.

1) dont squeeze here
2) when squeeze doesnt work, you have a weak made hand, just get to showdown as cheap as possible.

AP, you put in a ton of money, call is probably the correct play, but you're in a crappy situation because of poor choices before it

So what then? Check the flop? Bet smaller and what's the play on the turn? Shove non-clubs? If that's the case, I should just open shove the flop then shouldn't I?

I think isolating V1 is the right play. But as mentioned, to do so, I needed to raise more to push out V2. I just wasn't thinking and was trying to bet exactly what he had.

Agreed, the PSB on teh flop was huge blunder that put in me in this bad spot. If you weren't such a troll, you'd notice the question here is in regards to the flop play, and that was specified. So your pre-flop input is noted, but wrong, and you advice to call on the end is correct, but obvious.

Our TPTK is not much of a hand when our TP is an 8, no shame in checking back the Flop IP.

As played bobman is right once 1/2 our stack is in we have committed ourselves with a very meh hand.

So if we check back the flop, what do we do on the turn?

A) club turn, v checks
B) club turn, V bets
C) non club turn, v checks
D) non club turn, v bets

I really is though. Villain's line is limp/flat/check. Only AA with the ace of clubs can do that. Any pair 99+ would have shown up by now.

As far as being potentially ahead/behind, this is equivalent to having AK on a K73 board.

The flop play is directly correlated to the ******ed preflop play of trying to iso a 20bb short stacker with a mid level hand and no idea what the sb is going to do.

And do you have to be a petulant child in every thread you make?

You seem to think that the question you ask is only what people can comment on, but we can talk about all of your ****ty decision making, not just what you instruct us to

I think everyone, including me, feels that preflop was bad. We're all on the bandwagon. You're just piling on...kind of like a petulant child.

I'm not trying to censor you preflop comments as much as I am trying to keep the discussion free of noise where everyone just agrees on the obvious.

But like a petulant child, you have to be heard. You need validation and acknowledgement, so here it is....

"Good job Johnny! Mom and Dad are real proud of you for noticing obvious pre-flop mistakes. You'll be a champion some day for sure!"

Squeeze is def fine, but would make it bigger pre.

I'm checking flop, V should play faceup on an empty side pot OTT, calling down on non-club turn & river, you'll have the occasional ****** bluffing a club standing to win 0$, good for him if he does.

when i clicked reply, no one had replied. you didn't write that you're preflop play was poor in OP. plus, you continually make threads that have poor preflop choices. so it's not obvious that you realize that these are bad choices.

plus you dont think preflop was bad idea in general, you said so yourself...
but in reality trying to iso a guy with 20bbs is silly when the target should be the guy with 150bb

and if you look at past posts, i tend to comment on the whole hand, street to street, not just one street. even if i think something is standard, i usually point that out. so sorry to burst your bubble, but im not just doing it to you.

^again, if you're paying attention, I do think the pre-flop play was bad, but not the decision to isolate. As mentioned, I should have made it more.

I'm not going to argue you with you if your position that I should not try to iso when I can race ATC with a suited ace for 20BB's. I call that printing money. If you disagree, noted, but argument would be futile. Have a nice day.

8,73 is far different than a K,73 board for obvious reasons.

I think I got my answers, so here's the results.

which villain is basically ever taking a limp/flat/check line with AcAx here????

In a 3b pot just gii with TP. I will take a note that V2 is a huge whale by the fact that he calls 20bb with Q6s.

Pre should be a bit bigger but squeezing is obviously the correct play here.

Flop should be a bit smaller but betting is obviously the correct play here.

Don't see how anyone could argue otherwise honestly.

Given stack sizes, I don't like the squeeze at all.

The problem is that there's $20 in the pot, bet is $10, and we need to bet $40 to put V1 all-in. ...If stacks were $300, $40 would be a pretty normal raise size with a premium hand. If we raise to $60/75/90/whatever, we've made such an abnormally large raise that it screams "I just want to go heads up with this short stack, please!" That's not a bet that AK/AQ/AJ/JJ/1010/99 are going to fold to.

...If you really want to run a squeeze play with these stacks, I'd prefer min-raising to $20, expecting V1 to jam. V2 then has to choose between folding, calling the $40 with the betting still open, or raising with the mid-premiums in his range. If he calls, you can then raise another $100-$150 to take down his dead money.

On the flop, I'd prefer treating this as a protected pot. Potting the flop is going to force folds from some random, small clubs and non-club overcards. That protects our equity, but we're still taking a very vulnerable hand to showdown against V1's random holding. Depending on physical tells, I would either bet/fold $50 or check/evaluate.

OP, you are disrespectful and rude. We don't need your attitude here. I have reported your posts to the mods. I don't think you want to have a productive discussion. IMO, you seem to just want to argue and prove that you are right.

FWIW, I agree that OP is disrespectful, rude, and borderline-comically bad at poker strategy. ...And I LOVE it. I hope the mods never shut you down.

Don't ever change, OP. Few things illuminate solid strategic thinking better than loud, insistent barking in favor of the wrong line of thinking.

lol, and also, nice runner runner, as soon as I read that sleepless asian said 'gamble gamble' I was 100% sure he flopped flush, I find this is nearly ALWAYS the case in these spots against these villians when they make this comment. Theyre just always going to think theyre deceiving you by saying that, its downright hilarious IMHO, and shows a pretty low level of mental development

I think that someone who reads a forum, FABRICATES facts, inserts them into the discussion for no other purpose than to embarrass and insult someone, shows a pretty low level of mental development.

I never said the his comment affected my decision. I only included it as pertinent information for the thread.

You don't like me. So, in your mind, you twisted the words around and created an entirely false line of thinking just so you could ridicule me.

Grow up.