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Table bully vs TAG-fish, round 1... Table bully vs TAG-fish, round 1...

05-16-2024 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
It's a 5x raise, I'm not saying that I would always fold it but if your calling trying to flop a monster to stack him you may as well just fold. I would rather raise it then flat, and if I did flat it's not to try and hit a flop it would be against someone I know we can play creative against, not vs a total unknown, dude.
It's a 5x raise to $15, but that's a pretty standard open size at 1/3, and we're >230bb deep. I'm pretty sure J9s is a pure call defending the BB against a BTN open at this depth.
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05-16-2024 , 08:36 PM
I think the second hand is a pretty significant overplay. Bottom two pair is not a particularly strong hand on this board this deep. You don't have to check-raise flop. Once you do, I think overbetting the turn is bad, unless you are against a massive whale/calling station type. Think it's a mistake to assume Villain jams turn over your overbet with a worse value hand (AA, AK, KQ etc).

I wouldn't fold pre myself but I don't think it's a ridiculous suggestion facing a 5x raise OOP in a high rake game.

BTW, I think the second hand is much more thread-worthy than the first one, which is extremely cut and dry.

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Originally Posted by Tomark
This is a completely different situation. First hand you lose to 2 combos (JJ TT), this one you lose to at least 11 (KK JJ 99 QTs KJs). First hand you had spr of 2 otf, second hand spr was like 22 otf?

A call is bad vs V as described
I think it's safe to assume that V is opening all of the offsuit combos of QT and KJ when it folds to him on the BTN, since this would be the standard play. We can add in K9s and possibly K9o as well. There are sooo many combos we lose to here.
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05-17-2024 , 01:20 AM
Oh, the second hand was total spew post-flop. No argument on that score. I was tilted from the previous hand and thought I'd be getting back the money I'd lost and then some.
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05-17-2024 , 03:28 AM
pre is nearly pure 3b as you get > 100 bb. my guess would be the bigger the open size the more incentive we have to 3b as well.

re post you're not really supposed to do much xring at all as soon as they start using larger sizings (indicating polarized range). global xr is like 3.5% vs a larger size and like 9% vs a smaller cbet sizing. our actual hand combo (have to use j9o) is like 10% vs the 1/3 sizing and 5% vs the larger sizing but shows preference for one of the suit. would think you're going to be best off just not doing this at all. the way these boards work when both players can have the offsuit combos of the straight is very little raising in general and definitely not like depolarized bottom 2 stuff. if you do xr it xs the turn. its just way too much money going in with your hand
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05-17-2024 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by docvail
Oh, the second hand was total spew post-flop. No argument on that score. I was tilted from the previous hand and thought I'd be getting back the money I'd lost and then some.
I dont think its total spew. Id find that call vs at least some Vs, just not the one described. Dont be too hard on yourself, id give you like a C- (bad play) not an F (total spew) haha.
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05-17-2024 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by submersible
pre is nearly pure 3b as you get > 100 bb. my guess would be the bigger the open size the more incentive we have to 3b as well.

re post you're not really supposed to do much xring at all as soon as they start using larger sizings (indicating polarized range). global xr is like 3.5% vs a larger size and like 9% vs a smaller cbet sizing. our actual hand combo (have to use j9o) is like 10% vs the 1/3 sizing and 5% vs the larger sizing but shows preference for one of the suit. would think you're going to be best off just not doing this at all. the way these boards work when both players can have the offsuit combos of the straight is very little raising in general and definitely not like depolarized bottom 2 stuff. if you do xr it xs the turn. its just way too much money going in with your hand
The above is why I read these threads. Thanks!

I didn't hate the call in H2 (but now I do), but everything afterwards seems ambitious. C-R bottom 2 on KJ9 requires an unusual dynamic I don't think we have, though I see why you did.

Checking turn, def not calling a shove from V absent mega rage tilt signs from V and reads that they're a lagfish.
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05-17-2024 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail

If I wasn't going to fold top 2 before, I guess I'm not folding bottom 2 now, when V can have AA, AK, KQ, whatever. I snap call.

Spoiler:
V rolls over KK, and doubles up again.

Despite gifting a little over $1k in profit to this V, hero still managed to finish up about $1200 on the session.
This logic is going to cost you a fortune
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05-17-2024 , 05:44 PM
I had to go back to read the breakdown of Hand 2 because I *thought* OP was saying the Turn was a Ten—that is, the board was KJ9T and they both went nuts with two-pair vs a set on THAT board, lol.
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