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T9s with top pair and flush draw 3-ways T9s with top pair and flush draw 3-ways

11-08-2023 , 08:56 PM
1/3 NL $100-400 buyin. I was not hero in this hand. MP with about 250 raises to 15. He probably has a good hand based on action, table, and player. CO with about 1200, who may be reg calls. Hero with about 360 calls with Ts9s. Flop comes Td8s5s. MP bets 40, CO calls. What should hero do?
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11-08-2023 , 11:32 PM
any action besides folding is good

having the bdsd on top of flush draw and top pair makes calling more appealing
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11-09-2023 , 12:35 AM
Ez fold T9s pre. Don't be a fish!

Edit: Sorry. Misread hand. Thought it was a 3b pot. But completing in BB is obv fine.

I certainly would lead that flop. If on the button: easiest raise ever.

Last edited by bla; 11-09-2023 at 12:40 AM.
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11-09-2023 , 02:23 AM
just call

raising turns your hand into a bluff. your hand is too good to be a bluff and you arent deep enough for it to work as a bluff. if you cr the opener will fold all worse hands and either call or sometimes shove all better hands.

pre is iffy. im guessing it's mildly -EV vs a 5x open.
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11-09-2023 , 12:31 PM
Is Hero the Button?

If we're in the blinds, I think this is a pretty trivial preflop fold thanks to being OOP. If we're on the Button there is more reason to continue, although against likely a strong range / not a big stack / with a reg (instead of a fish) in the hand, I'd again lean to fold.

On the flop it really sucks that the reg has decided to continue to a PSB bet. Seems like the raiser really likes his hand so our FE might be a little low (or can he release overpairs?). I'd probably just call in position and see what happens, but even that might be meh as we have low IO on our obvious draw multiway and have high RIO if that draw ain't good.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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11-09-2023 , 12:47 PM
Preflop there are good arguments for fold, call and raise, there's probably very little in it.

Flop is tricky, you are probably up against a mixture of better made hands and better draws. I would probably be tempted to raise flop, bet turn, and check back river regardless of runout.
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11-09-2023 , 12:49 PM
Turn is 3c for Td8s5s3c. MP bets 60, CO raises to 150. What do you do?
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11-09-2023 , 12:55 PM
I call the flop and I fold the turn.
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11-09-2023 , 01:14 PM
Easy fold to the turn raise, imo. Little FE against the raiser who is still driving the action multiway and has already committed ~1/2 his stack, which means CO is less likely to be bluffing / semi-bluffing. Decent chance we're only chasing our flush outs and we're not getting the odds to do so.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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11-09-2023 , 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
just call

raising turns your hand into a bluff. your hand is too good to be a bluff and you arent deep enough for it to work as a bluff. if you cr the opener will fold all worse hands and either call or sometimes shove all better hands.
If we check-raise, the Opener is going to shove a ton of hands that we’re flipping against (all over-pairs) and a few that we’re beating (NFDs)—and if he’s especially kitty he may on occasion even fold an overpair, which is obviously great for us. V started the hand with only 80BBs, and there are already 40BBs in the pot by the time the action gets back to us. With that kind of overlay, this is a slam-dunk check-raise, and we’ll happily call it off if either player shoves.
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11-09-2023 , 05:32 PM
Hero actually shoved for 305 total, 155 more. Original raiser folded, CO tanked for about 20 seconds and called with Td8d for 2-pair. CO commented, he was afraid hero on the button had a set and thought original raiser had an overpair. Hero gii about 27% to win on the turn. I though hero's turn play was awful, and typical low stakes not wanting to fold a good hand.

I thought hero might raise/gii on the flop, despite both opponents showing strength. CO could have also raised on the flop.
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