$2800 effective stacks
Villain is a younger asian guy who just sat down from broken table with ~$2800, we have him covered. First hand down so we have zero reads on him.

$10 straddles on

UTG limps for $10
MP Villain limps $10
We limp for $10 in CO w 76o
Button checks back

4 way to a flop ($40)
Qd 7h 6d

First to act bets $25
Villain raises to $100
We put in a reraise to $250
Button folds
First to act folds
Villain thinks then repops us to $1300

Wwyd?

Trivially easy fold. Calling off 280 BBs with a bluff catcher in a limped pot? Yeah no thanks.

For 2/5/10 you are ~300bb deep.


Probably don't limp 76o pre. Limping worse than raising this and T9o isn't a 2.5x open in the CO 400bb deep, 87o isn't a 3x open from the BTN 400bb deep. Here we are guaranteed to be against UTG, MP and BTN if we limp and not being suited makes it worse multiway.


On the flop I'm pretty sure your hand isn't strong enough to cold 3bet, as we have no idea what to do on a lot of turns/rivers if called and don't want to get 4bet.

After MP gives us the good news, it's roughly a math problem of guessing MPs 4bet range and if we have enough equity to call and call it off on "blank" turns.
It matters a lot if we have the 7d.
I would just fold at the table, unless I was tilted or wanted to gamble real bad.


Running some numbers, give V a range of: QQ,77,66,7d8d,8d9d,Ad7d,AdKd
With 7c we have 24.3% equity on flop
With 7d we have 21.2% equity on flop

Maybe V range is wider than that and has suited one gappers and/or all of the Ad*d hands, which is good for us ... but maybe it's a bit smaller too and 66/AdKd doesn't 4bet.

Preflop is bad. I would flat the flop raise and as played fold to the 3!.

Fold pre and fold to the flop 4bet.

Preflop stay away. You could overlimp on the button in a 2 blind structure but offsuit rubbish doesn't work when you're guaranteed not to have position postflop.

EP has a Queen almost all the time here. The MP raise isn't too concerning and I like the 3bet. MP has 66/77 (2 combos total), 98s/54s (probably 6+ combos) and if we start to introduce Q7s/Q6s into the mix then we can probably also introduce 98o. There's also potential 7Xdd. I like the raise size, certainly go no bigger, you want those draws to call. Of course there are the monster draws (98dd etc) which don't leave you in great shape.

The 4bet is very concerning, particularly the non all-in sizing - I'd feel more comfortable calling a shove. This now looks like sets and monster draws. You can probably let this go now.

This was a reddit post that had some interesting opinions. Responses here pretty much exactly what I was thinking as well.

How should you play the flop if you had 66?

Fold flop, don't cold 3bet flop, fold pre.

76s is good enough to limp behind, but not offsuit. 76s is already marginal enough when it can flop a front door or backdoor flush draw with maybe a pair or straight draw, but when you can't make a 2 card flush and you are against ranges that can, it's pretty bad.

Fold pre.

I think I'm just getting it in now, particularlywithout 7d. This could be an error, but I would just think, it's so hard for him to have a set or higher 2p and so easy for him to have a big draw.

I think qq can be ruled out almost completely. Young Asian overlimping qq with a straddle? And the first v seems to have a q.

I think he's also more likely to raise pre with 77 and 66 than 45s 85s or 89s, though he might raise A7s.

I'd believe 79s or t9s before qq.

Also, he can similarly rule out many big hands for you. QQ, Q7, maybe you'd raise 77. And if he has a 7 in his hand, it's pretty hard for you to have much. So he could see this as a good spot for aggression.

Fold pf obv.

Call the first flop raise. The raise is pretty bad imo.

As played fold.

fold pre.

as played i like the flop raise if we then fold to the 4bet. sizing seems good, could even go a little smaller (~210)

for those saying flat the bet on the flop, what turn are we looking for?

On any non 6/7 and you face a bet you have to fold anyway, on a 6/7 you are still slightly reluctantly continuing with no clue where you are in the hand.

The flop raise allows us to take control of the hand in position. Its just unfortunate that this time they have it and you have to fold.

yeah dont do this. if u get in 300 bb in a limped multiway pot here with bottom 2 you're just torching an insane amount of money. its spr 70 4 ways lol. i think this would be a fairly tough spot with q7

1995 called and said raising for information turned out to be a bad idea.

Also esp. in this spot I think V is unlikely to fold much. Maybe some bad draws that were bluffing, or some blocker type bluff. Other than that V has better value and good to huge draws, both of which can call or raise. Even his only good draws should be NFD+ and if you don't want to see a turn in a 265-340 pot it isn't going to be better seeing it for a 565 pot.


We absolutely don't have to fold all turns that aren't 7 or 6 if we call flop.


Taking "control" is a bad concept generally ... after we've "taken control" what do you want to do on a 2h turn or even a Kh/Jh turn? If we are checking then we'll give up the "control" we just paid for, if betting then I guess we are praying for folds again?


We have better value hands to raise and we have better draws/semi-bluffs, and even better low equity bluffs like 9h8h. There's no reason to bluff this.

Not sure about should ... but I would just call the flop raise.
Probably mix raising 77 depending on if we have 7d and maybe on reads of V1 and V2.

Yeah pre is pretty terrible, as usual the source of your problems is pre not post, sorry, and reraising flop is too optimistic. Depends on players somewhat but without further info just flat. As played fold.

Generally I agree. But top set is out. I'm totally willing to bet my stack he doesn't have qq. If it's the 1x per lifetime he has it, fine.

If V never has Q7 and neither do we, this is practically the same as q7. Maybe better since we block 66.

That's a big if. Or is it? There are plenty of players who will absolutely never be limping in with q7 here. I think a lot depends on if we can guess which type V is.

What if a poker angel landed on your shoulder and said "rule out qq and q7 entirely?"

Again, imo you also have to factor in your perceived range. If V is a thinking player, he is ruling out qq and q7 for you and discounting 77, perhaps almost entirely. Great spot to push a draw. If you have 66, God bless.

Curious about results here.

you should assume the number of people that are putting in 2800 light in a 4 way limped pot when you cold 3b the flop iis literally zero until proven otherwise. also you aren't doing that well vs the draws that want to put it in and are murdered by every value combo

youre just making up random things to get in 280 straddles / 560 bb either optimistically slightly ahead or completely dead. gl w that

Button straddles are allowed to be played weird. You are a lot more sure he doesn't have QQ than I would be.

Bottom two is a trivial fold