Playing 2/5, full ring. Hero very TAG but extremely cold so only $140 stack. Villain didn't play many hands so no read but doesn't seem to be especially noteworthy; stack $400+. Limped pot to Hero on button who makes it $50 w/ AK, all folded to Villain in SB who calls; BB folds.

Flop ($110) 652
Villain checks, Hero?

If you are heads up, cbet. As for sizing, I would go half-pot as per COTM.

Close eyes and shove. $90 into $110 is enough to get him to fold something like 1010 or maybe JJ if he's a nit.

Do you disagree with the COTM thread? I think the argument for bluffing smaller and value betting bigger in live 1/2 has a lot of merit to it. So many live players simply don't give a crap about bet sizing so bluffing big doesn't necessarily have any advantage over bluffing smaller.

I only had a $140 starting stack, do you think that my $50 bet pf was silly?

I think I would just check back on this flop. I don't think a pair is folding considering they would have called $50 preflop with it and it's only $90 to call a shove on a board that misses you often. I also don't think much worse is calling.

How many people were in the limped pot? If there were three or four already in the pot, then $50 seems reasonable, however if there was only one limper in the pot before it got to you it seems a bit much.

We have $90 left, what are we going to try to check this down? I don't see how we can bet anything less than $90 here if we decide to bet. If we check, are we shoving most turns? If we check flop-how often will Villian lead turn into us? As a bluff?

I think a shove on flop or turn is can be justified.

Thoughts?

Grunch
50 pf with 140 stack??
I would have raised smaller pf (25 is standard) then c-bet this flop like 1/2P since no FD or 2 BW cards.
Another PF line is just shove the 140 in . You were short enough and AK likes to see all five cards to be ~50%.
The way played most Vs here would have 77+, AK so I would not c-bet this flop. If checked to OTT bet 1/2P.

There were 2 other players, so 4 total, so I guess you agree that $50 pf bet was good? I only had $140 starting, so now only $90 behind...not sure if I should've shoved pf. Was $50 pf the best play?

Btw, what does "grunch" mean?

as played betting 50 with 90 behind...marries you to the pot...
if you assume he calls all pairs jj-22 and folds all missed hand that 20% eqiuty when he calls...

going to the hand dandy fold equity calculator, villain has to fold 25% of the time for you play to be proffitable...

So he calls you with 51 comboes....he has to fold 17 comboes


what do you think he calls a preflop bet with...Ak AQ ajs thats 24 comboes right there. (if he calls with AK flop shove yor equity goes up to24% and its an even easier shove)

A shove has to be +ev.... (weather trying to check it down against a very passive opponent might be higher ev ???)

grunch means the replied without reading other replies...

The only way the preflop raise as sized makes sense is if you intend to shove all flops.

$50 was just silly pre with your stack size. If you are going to bet $50 you might as well just shove the full 30BB's in. I could not disagree more with those telling you to make a half PSB on the flop with only $90 remaining...thats just asinine. either shove or c/f.

I agree with the flop play, shove or c/f. What do you want him to raise to pre? $30? Doesn't the preflop $50 bet set us up well to get hu and shove most flops?

Bottom line is this, what hand will call a $50 pre flop bet that leaves his opponent with only $90 behind that doesnt also call a $140 preflop bet?? I mean, both bets are one in the same are they not? We might as well get it all in pre instead of allowing our opponent to see an Ace or King high flop and not pay us off the last $90.

OK-agreed.

None of this makes much sense to me. Are you intentionally short stacking the game? If so very TAGGY is not an option and you are probably still not TAGGY enough. Saying villain doesn't seem to be noteworthy is lazy and fishy.

The flop is a super, super easy shove.

I completely disagree. I see ******s calling pre with 9T suited literally every single day but they would fold to $140. People like to see flops. Pre is fine.

yes i do to but this is a very specific situation that becomes unique due to remaining stack size wouldnt you say? I mean even the biggest droolers will see only $90 behind and realize that villain is prob shoving 99% of flops.

I was actually thinking that I see villains doing this for 30% of ORs stack every day. What can I say, my games are good. :-)

lol and people say nl hold em is dead

$25 pre would have been better if you don't plan on shipping this flop. As played, I don't really see another choice. If you don't like it, you should probably top up to at least $300 before the cards are dealt.

You have 28bb PF, why not just shove?

btw reload pls

Yes, I'm intentionally ss'ing 2/5. I am lazy but when you see how the hand played out, Villain was donking; I didn't think too much of his play during the entire session. Ya, in hindsight, I should have shoved on the flop (but knowing the result, would Villain still have called?). Here's how it went:

[QUOTE=darkprince;29619103]Yes, I'm intentionally ss'ing 2/5. I am lazy but when you see how the hand played out, Villain was donking; I didn't think too much of his play during the entire session.


You are seriously not paying nearly enough attention if you played for more than 30 minutes with this guy and he didn't have a HUGE target above his head.

This will matter less if you are short stacking, but doesn't bode well for playing deeper.

Assuming you haven't done this already, actually stop reading anything in this forum and read loads of good material out there about short stacking. It is pretty simple against LOL bad villains but your horrid flop bet makes it look like you want to short stack and "play poker" which is not how it should be.


Finally, finally. At results, told you so. This guy fold to a shove pre almost always IME.