I'm not in favor of it outright.

First, there's an entire forum now for the "I'm going to turn $100 into $10,000 in 3 months" posts, so if its one of those goals/challenges it should probably go in there. Second, with live results being nearly impossible to verify I would caution anyone against prop betting on live results unless they know (and trust) the other person in real life.

Tell me a little more about what you had in mind?

Im not a big fan either, this is a strat forum..

I'm considering cracking down on threads like:

this
this
and this

The general questions like "when do I double barrel" are just too broad for productive discussion imo. And "how do I win at poker" questions are better for the beginer's forum... the posters are best served by reading a book and getting some of the strategy language down then asking specific questions.

Thoughts? Is this the place for questions like these? Or should we lock the uber-broad no-right-answer questions on sight and concentrate on typical 2+2 hand history analysis?

To be clear, theory posts where the original poster brings the theory (ie instead of "how do I beat xxx game?" the post is "here's how you beat xxx game" with a thorough explanation that can be analyzed and discussed) will always be OK.

I changed my mind. Im out of the casino buisness for awhile (at least here in Co). Until I find some good home games I wont have much to post. Oh and I forgot about the goals and challenges forum, ldo.

I say just leave them. If we become too rules oriented nits the low level posters wont want to post at all. Those posts might be their welcome to the forum post and Id rather not scare them away because they think the 2p2 guys are aholes.

Suggested topic: Keeping track of wins/losses in Live $ games (Might be wrong forum)

-Stakes you play
-Hours you play
-$in/$out
-$W/Hr.
-% winning sessions/% losing sessions
-Ave. winning session
-Ave. loosing session

There's a lot of information on tracking results in this thread. Check that first.

Thanks

raise more PF. then u wont have this problem.

I agree with this. I think Kurt and other posters can gently guide the noob to better posting guidelines. Of course, those who don't seem to be getting the idea and spam the forum with these type of threads will have to be shut down.

This might be the wrong thread, but can we reopen the hand converter for UB and Absolute. I feel like the scandal is long, long in the past and there is plenty of weak players on both sites. Tourneys are absolutely dead but ring games are pretty live and soft.

I think would open up a lot of discussion of correct plays against someone you know is inferior.

Thanks

Completely the wrong thread, this is live poker?

I moved suggestions about COTM subjects to the newer thread for that purpose.

Completely wrong thread and wrong forum. Try About The Forums.

Another note on the "bad advice" - I'm probably in the category of folks that sometimes gives bad advice, and I give my thoughts hoping that they will be corrected where sub-optimal.

This is how things are "supposed" to work. I've learned more about poker by posting bad advice on 2+2 than probably anything else.

What is needed (imo) more than better advice, is people who don't take it personally when someone disagrees.

Example of an acceptable post:

Example of a good post:

Example of unacceptable post:

This x1000

I try in my threads to not respond as much, but rather read what is being said. If I have something to say (aka I dont agree) I don't write it like this, "Dude you are so wrong and that is off and you are so horrible at poker..." rather I would pose a question such as, "Dont you think it would be better to do xx and yy?" There is going to be the "that is just awful comments" but what one needs to learn is that this forum is not a counseling session. You need to have thick skin and listen to the stuff that you dont agree with and try to see it from their POV (besides its a forum we need to have a little fun with our DUCY? posts). Sometimes you may pose a question about a certain spot and someone may respond well first i would of done A, then OTF B... really try to take in why they are telling you to not only focus on the spot you want to know about but the whole hand. This is why you see a lot of "raise more pre" in many threads. Yes, it seems repeptitive, but it is all part of the HH.

cliffs: like Kurt said, get some thick skin. In the end it will only make you better.

Kurt, I'd like to suggest that you nominate a poster for the HH of the week. That would be a poster in your estimation that is capable of:

1. Setting up a HH properly with full reads.
2. Pick a hand that isn't, "LOL, fold" but rather one that is difficult.
3. Who can run a PAHWM and doesn't spew to the end after 5 posts.

Sticky it for a week and save them. The poster would have to send it to you first to make sure it was high quality before posting. It would be invitation only, you decide who does one when. People can volunteer, but you decide. If there isn't a good one or a good volunteer, we skip the week.

I think it will keep the content fresher and also serve as a ready reminder of how to make a HH since new posters tend to not read the FAQs.

+1. Does it have to be real? Could folks make something up and submit it to Kurt, or would it be "don't ask us, we'll ask you"?

I like this (don't have anything recent but when I do, I'll try and submit a winner.)

I'm OK with it made up (how would I know the difference anyway?) The difficulty in making one up is that you need to keep the story consistent. It would be bad to give a read (villain is a rock) and then say, "Oh, he 4 bet shoved 32o, it was bad to fold." On the other hand, Kurt and I reviewed a hand last night where I stacked off with 2 pair being 3 bet pf by a guy with a 3bet% of 1% (for those non-online players, that's a usual range of AA or KK, a bad call on my part). He had 33 and hit his set on the flop.

My thought was that it would also give the more advanced posters something a bit meatier to work on and keep them involved in the forum.

I like this "HH of the week" idea! I'll think on how to implement it. If anyone has a hand with good reads on villains that is fairly complex or would do well PAHWM style, PM me.

Also, a fellow uFR mod, mpethybridge, is planning an extended trip to Las Vegas to play live. He is a well-respected poker coach, the de facto expert on statistical analysis, and a winning player at up to 200nl online. He expressed interest in doing a blog-style TR of his adventures in Vegas live games.

I was considering inviting him to do the trip report in this forum. On the downside "blog" style posts are not permitted under normal circumstances, and I'm not usually a fan of "online -> live" threads because of the general quality of discussion generated. On the upside, I think the level of skill and theory he will bring would make a good thread, and in short when the TR is completed it would make a good place to direct all the online players who drop by here asking "how do I beat live games???"

What do you guys think?

Get er done...

Mpethy certainly has been tolerant of blog style threads in the micro forum and it certainly can't be any worse than Greg's PUA thread. I vote yes and will let you and mpethy settle the details. I'd host it here, which would bring some much desired cross pollination.

I think an exception can be made in this case as most of what mpethy writes is solid gold. Plus, with his history here on 2p2 I actually care about hearing his daily thoughts more than some random wannabe.