just posting this here for general commentary. it's something i would never have thought of doing until it came up in some good discussions here on 2+2 (with dgiharris and a couple of others).

thoughts on my play?
thoughts on this play in general?
thoughts on how good looking i am?

$1/$2 - $300 cap - 9 players

- lots of calling preflop at this table. 2-3 stacks cover hero, the rest hover between $150 and $250, except Villain who has ~$110
- Villain seems to have come from the bar, and is ordering more drinks. is chatty and seems to be splashing around a bit

Villain (UTG+1) ~$110
Hero (MP1) $245

Pre Flop: ($3) Hero is MP1 with 6 6

UTG straddles to $5, Villain (UTG+1) double-straddles to $10, UTG+2 calls $10, Hero (MP1) calls $10, MP2 calls $10, MP3 calls $10, HJ calls $10, BTN calls $10, SB calls $9, UTG calls $5

Villain (UTG+1) pops $35 and announces "I have an ace, guys", UTG+2 folds, Hero moves all-in $245, folds to Villain who reluctantly calls his remaining $75 all-in

Villain tables A 7 and hero holds for a $290 pot

Did you winrar atleast?

This is good & great for the game!

Btw, thus pisses off the nits soooo much. Lol. Also its a pretty sick 'triple range merge' IMO. since you can get some limpers to fold 77/88/99 and even TT, and yet they will still call you with AQ/AK which is good cuz of dead monies. Therefore, you really only gotta worry about JJ+ and we all know how rare those hands are

you can only have low pocket pairs there.everbody knows that.yesterday exactly same hand happened on my table,this guy limp/shoved for 150-160bb with 77.got 3 callers.QJo won the pot.
it's high varience play,you have good equity against their range but i prefer raising to 50 as opposed to limping.

Btw, after the hand say 'gambling is encouraged in casinos... Am I right, hater?'

Don't believe it!

naaah... everyone puts you on a slowplayed big pair. there's always a "wtf" reaction at the table when you show a mid-PP

At least that's what happens in my world.

Seriously, it is a pretty good play in this scenario. You know you aren't up against a big pair, therefore their calling range is just about a null set.

Raise to $100 would be sufficient to do the job, and anything more is just fishy...

What do you mean?

Anything that is going to call our shove is surely going to shove (or be a complete donk and call) on our raise. Might as well get 2% more FE by pushing ourselves, and avoiding annoying post-flop action vs a drooler having called pf.


As for the hand in question, well played. There's not much chance of anyone behind you holding a big pair unless they knew villain was gonna raise his straddle and got tricky.

Maybe you haven't actually tried or seen this move, but why would any real hand shove $250 into a $100 pot?

People are confused about "dead money" it's not Dead if villain is going to call 100% of the time it's very Live at that point. He can't fold with the pot size there.

However you have put your money in slightly ahead which is a good play and is a winning play I suppose.

i would be referring to the field callers' money as dead money here, not villain's.

tell me about it. i was amazed to win with 55% equity when recently i can't seem to win when i have 95%.

I don't care if I have AK here and know villain has A7, I still shove. I want the FE from the rest of the table, to play this hand HU, and when called by others I'm still likely to be a statistical favourite (vs their limp/calling).

Basically the only hand I want to raise to anything but a shove is possibly AA, just because if anyone else comes along they are so likely to be absolutely dominated. With all other hands I want the FE, and not some drooler coming in with AQ, KQ or random **** for $100 and then not knowing how to play a flop of AK2 or w/e. Assuming he is a standard fish so calls with any K or A and bets me AI if checked to with any A or K.

And the pot is $90 before villain raises, so if he raises by $35 (or to $35 which is not clear in OP) we are actually only raising a little over pot size as pot is 160 and we raise by 215 with our shove.

It really doesn't matter what we think or what we know, what matters is what our opponents think.

Like I said, raising huge in this spot is just fishy, and if you think going AI has more FE than raising $100 or so, then by all means, go right ahead.

Like venice said, everything but AA is all meta games.

Exactly. Didn't see this post until now.

i do the exact same here

From some players I'm getting more FE, and some may interpret my move as bluffish and call with something that I'm still a favourite against (say two face cards). (Not 50% to win pot, but better than 33% to scoop it all)


I agree with your above post on that our move is face (bar the odd AA/KK intending to limp-reraise) up vs a table of COMPETENT PLAYERS, however in my mind your standard 1/2 or 2/5 casino game does not have a significant portion of these players.

The idea is to win the pot uncontested. So if you think you can get more fold by going AI, then you definitely should.

that is not what venice said...

Fine, that's what I read.

I agree with this, but hero/op shoves a small pocket pair and gets called. Are we really shoving pocket pairs pre to get called and see 5 cards.

The op should say shoving 125bbs pre with small pocket pairs to get called. That's all that's going to happen in low stakes. Pokerstoves states this is a losing play.

Shoving 66 with 24bbs and plenty of dead $$ is great here IMO.

obv depends on how you range villain. there are so many more combos of overcards than overpairs in his range here, we don't mind if he calls.