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03-17-2011 , 10:56 PM
I'm by no means an expert player, i lean towards a fairly exploitable weak tight with out 2pair + and aggressive betting with the goods.

The better players in my usual game re-raise me light in post flop play, and my strat against that has been c/c to let them value town themselves when i'm good, increase my 3! range a little (with the intent to b/f if they want to go for stacks and I'm deep, as only one or two will continue his line like that on a bluff against my standard range), and fold the little pots where I'm not really staked in. I'm comfortable and profitable (or b/e anyway) against these players so far, but who will win the meta game remains to be seen.
I'll occasionally look them up light to show I'm willing to catch them if they're out of line (or their line just doesn't make sense ;p), but I fold in a lot of thin spots... should I put effort into marginal spots against the players I'm not looking to for most of my profit?

very few seem to 3! light at this game... work it into my play?

The worse players are doing something interesting though. They are calling me more pf and floating the flop more often. This is great as I end up making much more with my nutty hands, but with 2-3 rag hunters in a hand they make odd 2p's and straights against me and lead them the same as their tpwk garbage i'm used to picking off. I'm increasing my pf raise sizing a little and decreasing my c-bet percentage against them as they're doing less fit/fold play.

Any other suggestions for when I brick? Should I try doublebarrelling more? I don't like it as they are usually 60-85bb and will go to the river unless I put their whole stack in, and that seems a little spewy with air or mp and a draw.
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03-18-2011 , 09:17 AM
What stakes are you playing?

The two ways to beat aggressive players is to become weak tight and call down a lot or become more aggressive than them and bluff re-raise their steals pre and post-flop.

Barreling is good to beat floats and weak ranges but with bigger raises and shorter effective stacks this can backfire easily if flop and turn bets are the only bets threatening stacks.

When I donīt have position on aggressive players with wide ranges I start to limp re-raise and do all kinds of strange post flop plays like checking top pair or draws on the flop to keep from barreling always and firing delayed cbets while inducing bluffs. Check raising on flops instead of cbetting when it hits neither persons range or the board is dry and just putting pressure at every point. After you win a few of these pots players start to realize they canīt push you around and start to play straightforward or start to play spewy aggressive and then its easy to revert back to a TAG style or to continue playing LAG and wait for a big hand and play it in line with your strategy.
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03-18-2011 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by schlep
What stakes are you playing?

1/2

The two ways to beat aggressive players is to become weak tight and call down a lot or become more aggressive than them and bluff re-raise their steals pre and post-flop.

seems in line with what i was thinking... i do balance my aggression somewhat, but i don't think I'm comfortable going too aggro (have a 4 BI bankroll with a slow refill)

Barreling is good to beat floats and weak ranges but with bigger raises and shorter effective stacks this can backfire easily if flop and turn bets are the only bets threatening stacks.

When I donīt have position on aggressive players with wide ranges I start to limp re-raise and do all kinds of strange post flop plays like checking top pair or draws on the flop to keep from barreling always and firing delayed cbets while inducing bluffs.

not sure i see this being a good multiway with wide range strat, as not all are aggro, lots of passive c/c play as well. I do see applications 2-3 handed, esp against the more aggro players..

Check raising on flops instead of cbetting when it hits neither persons range or the board is dry and just putting pressure at every point.
I agree I should be putting more pressure on my opponents, reviewing my play I am rarely putting them to difficult decisions and am somewhat too straightforward, which while profitable over lol sample, isn't going to be a longterm winning strat

After you win a few of these pots players start to realize they canīt push you around and start to play straightforward or start to play spewy aggressive and then its easy to revert back to a TAG style or to continue playing LAG and wait for a big hand and play it in line with your strategy.

Thanks for your ideas.
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03-19-2011 , 01:18 AM
I wouldn't worry about players adjusting to you. If you mean by them playing different cards in their range. Then I agree, but from my knowledge if your not aggressive they will never adjust. Even if they do, they l/c which is lol.

I suggest you come up with ranges for every situation. Write it out including your adjustments.

Apply ranges to every player who takes action. Then adjust from there, but start with base ranges first. Poker is all about putting your opponent on a range.
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03-19-2011 , 01:42 AM
I skimmed most of this thread but didn't really see this point...

The biggest factor in your adjustment is going to be effective stack sizes.

Its hard to 3bet light, c/r, make plays, etc. when everyone is sitting 60BB deep. It doesn't take much raising before the SPR is below 1 and there is no room left to manuever and you must shove or fold...

So, whatever strategy you employ you are going to have to be HYPER sensitive to effective stack sizes.

This is key, and a mistake a lot of regs make. They go 4 way to a hand, 2 villains and Hero will be 150BB+ deep and one villain is short stacked at 50BB. This makes a HUGE difference in how you have to play. You 3bet, get some calls, and SS goes all-in, you're screwed if you don't have a real hand. Can't bluff someone for the pot when they are all-in...

IN general, the shorter the effective stacks (< 50BB) you are, the better it is to be more ABC TAG and straightforward.

If you are between 50BB-80BB then you are still limited by how much 'adjusting' you can do as it doesn't take much to end up playing for stacks by the river.

Basically, the point of my post is just saying that you will have to pay CLOSE attention to effective stacks and factor that into the equation. Shorter the stacks the more your play will be dependant on your relative hand strength vs your villain's range.
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