This hand requires a bit of setup before I give the HH. There is a new player at our table (V1) who is playing almost every pot and asking questions like "does a flush beat a straight" and being serious about it on top of saying when he has a really weak hand before the flop as he calls. Complete beginner to poker and also very drunk. V2 has iso raised this guy multiple times in 2 orbits. V2 is a solid but active player pre who hasnt really gotten looked up a whole lot but seemingly had not been getting too out of line other than going after the free money as described.

The hand before my HH below happened, fish V1 tank called off an all in for 200 with J5 on a J52 board vs V2 thinking that V2 had a set. V2 had nothing and hit a Q on the turn and still lost the hand.

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UTG fish V1 ($500) limps
MP V2 ($240) raises to 20
SB H ($335) AQ 3bets to 70

Looking back in hind site I could have flatted to better enable the fish to come in but neither V has a hand here and I don't mind picking up the dead $26 with what is almost guaranteed to be the best hand by far. Id be much happier flatting the $20 with JJ-AA and not AJ-AK type hands but feel free to tell me if this is bad logic.

UTG V1 flats my 70 (im 100% sure he has nothing)
MP V2 calls 50 (99% sure hes tilted out of his mind and also calling cause of the fish juicing the pot)

($213) J 5 5
H ?

how much did V1 put in pre-flop with Motown ?

Assuming V2 had raised pre in that hand and the fact V1 put in another $68 to your bet
V1 could have any two cards here.

V2 has $170 left, if checked to him you indicate he will jam ; So would you call his shove here with A high ?

If yes then I would lead here for $85 as against 2 rando's with this flop I gotta think I'm ahead Still.


I would not have flatted pre

Range bet, small amount (1/3 pot).

V1 was in the BB so called 20-25 with J5 pre. He flatted one 3b before and folded to a cbet. Ive been joking around and helping him out and hes been showing me his cards mid hand. He indicated to me that when he called my 70 "you're gonna be really upset if I hit my hand" and hes being 100% honest here cause hes said similar multiple times.

Yes I would call a V2 shove if I checked.

Noob perspective:

Will V1 call down with anything or is he just playing any two cards pre and then folding flop if he misses?

Either way, I'm not sure a bet will get better to fold, and I think betting AQ for value here is a little too thin. I would check/reevaluate if bet into.

If one of them has a J or, even worse, a 5 (entirely plausible!), betting would be a disaster. If they don't you're probably not getting value from them anyway. However, you could try to bluff-catch if you think V2 is full of it and bets if V1 also checks (presumably with nothing).

You don't put players on the nuts in poker when they have extremely wide ranges.

Flop seems like a trivial shove with SPR just over 1.

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You're likely ahead. V1 should fold unless he has it. V2 will fold.

I'm in the move in camp.

Whoops I missed how shallow we were. Yeah, Get It In.

J 5 5 r

H bets 70
V1 folds
V2 calls

K

H bets 100
V2 calls with AJo

Looking back if I was going to bet this way I should have made it 50 flop and 120 turn so I would have a better chance getting a fold on the turn with the bets further apart from each other if V2 had 22-TT. 70 then 100 is too close to a similar bet. The K was a great card for me but the stacks were slightly too short to realistically get a fold. I had 1 previous hand with V2 where I flop bet 1/3 and he folded so I had that in my mind.

If V2 had say 22-TT would't betting flop and turn look stronger then jamming flop? I thought a jam would make it look too much like AQ-AK.

I would have went $80 preflop to setup a PSB shove on any flop if we end up HU against V2. I don't think flatting is horrendous in order to bring in V1. But the smaller the stacks (only 80 bbs against V2) and the bigger the raise (a very large 7x) the more I lean to 3betting.

Has V1 been calling ridiculous 3bets preflop with ATC? How did he get into the J5 hand, was it just calling a ~normal $20 raise or was that also a 3bet pot? I mean, the HH is a little weird in that he seems to know enough that 2 pear isn't the nuts and he could be beat by sets, so there is some awareness going on here.

If V1 is just massively fishy and coldcalling ~ATC preflop to large 3bets, I would probably go a small $60 on the flop and shut down UI after that. If V1 is slightly tighter than that, I would probably check.


ETA: I also missed that we're in a very small SPR of ~1ish. And it sounds like V1 is calling preflop with ATC. So I'd be fine with a jam. As played, I think I'm ok with the turn jam in a last ditch attempt to get TT- to fold (and we have ok equity otherwise).

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