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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL
Well, regardless, I don't look very strong. If I check call flop check raise turn I am going to look like I have a set or 2 pair.
True, but you get 2 streets of value when you check-call flop and check-raise turn, whereas if you donk lead flop you might get zero streets of value.
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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL
Also I understand your point about MW but don't agree with this being more effective against LP raisers - EP raisers are far more likely to have an ace.
Mmmmmmmno. Every player in every position is equally likely to be dealt an ace, regardless of position. Every position has AA and a lot of AX in their raising range.
The LP raising range has more hands than an EP range, and thus AA and AX make up a greater portion of the EP raiser's range, but that doesn't mean it's more likely that the EP raiser has AX than the LP raiser. It just means that the LP raiser can also have a lot of other hands the EP raiser shouldn't.
The advantage of going for the check-raise rather than a donk-lead against an EP raiser vs an LP raiser is just what I said - a donk lead can get more calls from the MP players, and the LP raiser might raise over your donk, whereas if you go for the check-raise against an LP raiser, you're less likely to get calls from those MP players who initially checked to the LP PFR.
If you donk into an EP raiser, and he calls, those MP players are more likely to fold than they'd be if you checked, and he c-bet.
The donk-lead is definitely higher EV when the PFR is in LP, whereas the check-raise is better when the PFR is EP.
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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL
Even if not, is he going to fold QQ here? Probably not. He might even call down with it as our line looks so weird
Yes, he will probably fold QQ when you defend the BB and then donk-lead on a flop of A62. The line doesn't look that weird. Fishy AF, but not weird.
If he folds QQ, when he might have c-bet, or even if he checked back but would have called a turn bet, donking the flop just loses value.
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Originally Posted by LifeNitFL
MW is a totally different game and I agree it has much more merit there. But do think there are spots HU where we can mix it in
Are there spots to donk-lead when heads-up? Yes. Is the A62 board one of them, when we have 66? Nope.
Might want to check this out -
https://upswingpoker.com/donk-bet-lead-flop-strategy/.