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Originally Posted by garicasha
As a beginner, why are we shoving a flop of QQ5 with AK so fast itÂ’s making a sonic boom?
We have 4 to a flush which is obviously good, but
—Right now we don’t even beat a pair of 2’s
—We expect villain’s holdings to mostly if not only include hands that are way ahead such as AA, AQ, QQ, KK, KQ,
—UTG saw MP was getting ready for a big raise but shoved knowing that
—MP sees UTG shove and still shoves himself
—CO is described as tight but sees ALL of that then he blasts off too
Now preflop I can see putting money in because AKs is such a premium holding.
But now that QQ comes on the flopÂ…well we block Aces and Kings and the board is blocking queens. But the money doesnÂ’t lie and I canÂ’t dream people were doing this with JJ or AJ or worse so through elimination weÂ’re up against a lot of combos that are already at trip queens or two pair Aces/Kings and Queens that can improve to full houses, so why is it such a no-brainer to be shoving here?
Edit: was reading this on my phone and missed the second page + the fact this is 8 years old lulz
Our showdown value before the river is irrelevant, itÂ’s the best 5 out of 7 cards. Additionally, thereÂ’s over $500 of dead money in the pot for us to pick up.
Your range doesnÂ’t make any sense. You canÂ’t give V KQ and not give him AK and JJ. That range is not way ahead of us on the flop, itÂ’s 45/55, and thatÂ’s the MOST favorable range for CO V. NLHE isnÂ’t about having showdown value on the flop though, itÂ’s a game of expected value (EV). With all the dead money in the pot with the range above, its a huge +EV spot and we pick up additional equity (fold equity) by shoving the flop... we donÂ’t have to win at showdown if everyone folds.
Anyway, OP folded the turn (when he is now 88%) against the range above, because he put V (and btw there are 2 of them) on the one combo of QQ left. ThatÂ’s terrible to the point it seems like itÂ’s trolling.