What. Always call.

He looks strong when he drops down 300$, but it does not matter. He has AQ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ in his range. Probably on the high-end of pair hands since he played tight and calls so much

As played, call call call call I don't care about your read. You gonna call 600$ preflop, to fold a 300$ all-in when you hit a flush on a paired board, that doesn't make sense.

I would fold preflop, AKs against the spew all-in is fine, but when the tight guy cold calls after AKs is just not +EV there.

This hand is 8 1/2 years old lol

Sick bump.

God poker was easy back then. Lol I was a huge winner in those games at the time (like 15BB Live at 2/5 and around 10 at 5/10), and that was AFTER playing and beating 10/25++ NL right after the Moneymaker boom. I think this is around the time when I had just gotten back to playing after taking many years off.

You young’ins have no clue what a soft game really is.

Yeah but now we gotta know, did the guy have QQ?

He did. Poker Genius confirmed.

****. I thought ikestoys had re-emerged

ship it pre

As a beginner, why are we shoving a flop of QQ5 with AK so fast it’s making a sonic boom?

We have 4 to a flush which is obviously good, but
—Right now we don’t even beat a pair of 2’s
—We expect villain’s holdings to mostly if not only include hands that are way ahead such as AA, AQ, QQ, KK, KQ,
—UTG saw MP was getting ready for a big raise but shoved knowing that
—MP sees UTG shove and still shoves himself
—CO is described as tight but sees ALL of that then he blasts off too


Now preflop I can see putting money in because AKs is such a premium holding.

But now that QQ comes on the flop…well we block Aces and Kings and the board is blocking queens. But the money doesn’t lie and I can’t dream people were doing this with JJ or AJ or worse so through elimination we’re up against a lot of combos that are already at trip queens or two pair Aces/Kings and Queens that can improve to full houses, so why is it such a no-brainer to be shoving here?

Edit: was reading this on my phone and missed the second page + the fact this is 8 years old lulz

What did I just read?

Our showdown value before the river is irrelevant, itÂ’s the best 5 out of 7 cards. Additionally, thereÂ’s over $500 of dead money in the pot for us to pick up.

Your range doesnÂ’t make any sense. You canÂ’t give V KQ and not give him AK and JJ. That range is not way ahead of us on the flop, itÂ’s 45/55, and thatÂ’s the MOST favorable range for CO V. NLHE isnÂ’t about having showdown value on the flop though, itÂ’s a game of expected value (EV). With all the dead money in the pot with the range above, its a huge +EV spot and we pick up additional equity (fold equity) by shoving the flop... we donÂ’t have to win at showdown if everyone folds.

Anyway, OP folded the turn (when he is now 88%) against the range above, because he put V (and btw there are 2 of them) on the one combo of QQ left. ThatÂ’s terrible to the point it seems like itÂ’s trolling.

Mostly grunching after reading 5 nitty replies. Shove pre all day. It's not even close. It's 120bbs. If you shove and they fold that's great we've only put in 1/4 of the pot and are almost always flipping, if one of them calls were also always flipping.

Nits get scared when there is a possibility of having to see a flop multi way after calling a large preflop bet. They probably never have AA/KK here. They have QQ/AK/JJ 90% of the time. They're probably folding all those hands to a jam.