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Straight on paired board, fold All In? Straight on paired board, fold All In?

02-02-2015 , 12:11 AM
Live 1/2.

Hero has $150, Villain covers. Just sat at table, no reads on players.

Limped around.

Hero: 36 off suit.

Flop: 5 7 9 rainbow

Checked to villain who bets $10, folds to hero who calls.

Turn: 4 , Hero leads for $40 with low straight, villain calls.

River: 4 Hero checks, Villain pushes $100 stack AI.

Hero reluctantly folds, thinks some weird boat got there.

Tells villain he folded low straight, villain says he had 4/7 and filled up on river.

Was that too nitty a fold?

Or should I be worried when the board pairs. If it's any card that doesn't pair, then I ship it on the river.
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02-02-2015 , 12:35 AM
Your playing bingo poker. Don't limp 3-6. Not given close to enough reads to make river decision. But yes, probably never folding without reads.
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02-02-2015 , 12:36 AM
Abstain from posting results. State position and number of limpers, or share the money in the pot on the flop.

FOLD PRE.

Lower straights are less valuable as he could have the higher one, so I might fold OTF even if the whole table called. 9 callers = $18 - assuming ~$4 for rake = $14 in the pot. With direct odds, you have to contribute 42% of the pot with only 32% equity. Consider missing the turn, which will happen 83% of the time and facing another bet. Do you think villain with double barrel? He could, we don't know him.

As played, I'd raise much less on the turn. You're over betting. I think ~$20-25 would work.

As played, the river is very marginal. His call OTT indicates a set or higher straight w/ 86. 97 could be in the range as well, but we don't know anything about him. I might be inclined to fold.
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02-02-2015 , 12:51 AM
I was probably small or big blind in the hand, otherwise it would have been an instafold.

I believe 3-4 players pre-flop but after flop bet heads up.
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02-02-2015 , 12:55 AM
Sorry I only remember the turn/river, I believe 3 callers on flop $10 bet, so $30 plus $8 blinds, $38 in pot after flop.

My $40 turn bet was a pot size bet, I wasn't trying to overbet it.
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02-02-2015 , 01:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzed23
I was probably small or big blind in the hand, otherwise it would have been an instafold.

I believe 3-4 players pre-flop but after flop bet heads up.
Still a fold from the SB. If you were the BB and had no choice, c/f otf. I wouldn't chase the low end of a straight. Even if you get there it might not be good and you're not making anything when you do get there. If you check/call the whole way then come out firing, it's obvious and unbalanced that you hit.
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02-02-2015 , 02:50 AM
I got as far as reading 3-6 off.

Why are you even in this hand?
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02-02-2015 , 02:51 AM
You really shouldn't ever see a flop with 36 unless youre in the big blind and it checks around. I don't think I'm calling the flop bet. Sure the 4 is a clean enough out but what happens if the 8 comes out? You really won't get too much value with the low end of that straight. As played good fold

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02-02-2015 , 03:14 AM
I'd just fold the flop. You're drawing to a straight that someone may already have. There's no card that will give you the nuts.
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02-02-2015 , 12:32 PM
Fold pre, fold flop, x ship turn, and as played, probably fold river.
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02-02-2015 , 01:33 PM
Fold pre, unless you got a free look in the BB. Fold flop. Check-raise the turn. Bet river.
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02-02-2015 , 10:29 PM
It was a double gutter on the flop, for $10 I felt if I hit I would win a big pot.

I had the 2nd nuts on the turn. And with me holding a 6, makes it less likely anyone has 6/8 for the nuts.

If the board doesn't pair on the river I ship it.
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02-02-2015 , 10:43 PM
:grunch:

Fold pre. Fold pre.

Fold flop.

Your turn lead is weird. You're never getting raised here AP, and you may get a good number of folds. Given that we hit our dream card we want to get the money in of course. But our hand is completely under-repped and V has shown interest in the pot already. Let him bet again. This is a spot where we could check/raise or check call depending on sizing.

AP ... eh. We might be beat. We might just be up against A4 or something stupid. Our line is weird with the turn lead and river check. A lot of V's will pounce on that and bet as a bluff.

I could go either way OTR. Never tell him what you have, true or a lie. And don't believe him when he tells you you're beat. A bluffer would say the same thing.
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02-02-2015 , 11:07 PM
Fold preflop the 36 no matter how is (suited or not).
Play a simple preflop strategy. Without a doubt, most player's problems begin preflop. The typical live no-limit dude plays way, way too many hands. You got to play a tight preflop strategy focused on playing mostly pocket pairs, suited big cards hands, and suited connectors. You got to avoid playing ragged suited hands and most offsuit hands. Especially if the pot got raised before the action gets to you. Also you got to be a specialist in playing AK. Playing AK is a function of how deep the stacks are. Sometimes the AK goes all-in preflop, some other times it just calls to see the flop and some other times AK gets into the muck without putting any money in the pot in the first place. You got to handle AK to perfection in order to be a winning player.

Last edited by Octavian; 02-02-2015 at 11:19 PM.
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02-03-2015 , 12:21 AM
I think the hand is fine, and the fold OTR is not too nitty. (He could have also had 68s? and the paired board actually saved you) . Also think that ship on non-paired river may not be optimal after you lead OTT. Maybe a bet ~$55/60?
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02-03-2015 , 06:49 AM
Yeah, saw the same player again today. And he was doing big river bluff bets.

He was a $2/5 player, cashed out over $1500 today. Then sat at my 1/2 table when his game broke. I asked him what he had, he said the boat but could be lying.

So he could have been totally bluffing.

A later hand, he called my All-in flop check raise shove, when I had QQ, and he had 9/8 spades.

Board was 9-4-4. Runner runner flush hit him.

So he was calling down loose.

And good advice, probably shouldn't be in with 3/6.
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