Live 1/2 9 handed

Hero 500$
Villian 270$


Utg1 Limp 2$
ugt2 Villain 7$
Button Hero J9 Call 7$
SB fold
BB Call 7$

utg1 calls 5 more 7$
Pot 29$ after rake 22$

k108

ugt1checks
Utg2 Villian bets 20
Hero Calls (sure I can raise but anyways)
sb folds
bb folds
utg1 folds

pot 62$
turn 8
Board k1088

Villain bets 50$ pretty fast.
Villain is an older gentlemen.
I am sure when he raises pre-flop that 95% of the time he has a pair or 2 high cards. He is a bit eratic in the way he bets for value.
He seems like the kind of player who would bet a nut flush or full house for value on the turn (expecting or at least wanting to get paid)
Even still I think like 80% of the time he has Ak or kq

I am really not sure what he would do if I shove turn for his 170$ more with the Ak

Since I have straight flush draw (qor7) he only has 5 spades he can hit if he has A


I think shoving turn is kind of bad but I can't decided between bet (min raise turn) or check.
I do think he will bet like 100$ almost every time on the river no matter what card hits.

Bet or check turn?


There is a 200$ straight flush bonus and of course bad beat is a small chance if he happens to have 88 but i doubt it but still I really don't want to bet fold.

Raise first flop bet/ fist pump get it in otf pls while your equity is highest.
your hand got so much worse ott with board pairing and only one more card to come...You have tons of fold equity and a hand that us a fav to almost any two cards villain can have.
Dont play your strong hands so passively...live nits itt

I raise this flop to $70 maximizing my fold equity and making villain cross his likely commitment threshold. If villain 3b shoves, I happily get it in, really only crushed against AQ, and 40% against an unlikely set.

As played, you think you're ahead. If villain is betting $100 on river no matter what card hits, and if you also think villain's range is heavily weighted towards pair+nfd, smooth calling would probably be more profitable if villain folds to raise. That being said, it's tough to say. Arguments could be made for folding, too, but I think that's nitty. I call turn and call villain's river bet if non spade non 8 peels.

Never flat the flop with a non nut draw. Straight flush outs are only 2 in the deck. So they really don't count. Unless you want to be an idiot drawing to two specific outs.

Raise flop to $80 even. Call a shove.

As played, I would flat and hope you hit one of your straight flush outs and shove.

$7 rake? At at 1/2 table? Thats brutal !

Here in Montreal it's either 7$ at Montreal casino or 8$ at reserve (with free good food and alcohol). no rake pre or with a split.

I can never recall if the bad beat 1$ is included but I actually don't think it is.

I agree the rake is brutal.

So you're saying be an idiot and draw to two specific outs?:S

Lol at people complaining about $7 rake, we have 10% of pot (capped at $8), and food etc is ridiculously expensive and has terrible quality

Very easy flop raise to $70+ which makes it easy to get it in on the turn. Not going to comment on the rest because I can't see ever being in this situation.

raise flop, get it in on turn...i have no clue why people play these type of hands so passively...

What is going on in this forum? While raising the flop is viable, it is by no means the only option.

Well, yeah I guess we could fold (lol).

Raising the flop will maximize value, i mean you hold almost half the deck otf...unless he has a higher FD

For what it is worth when villain bet the flop I really thought the top of his range was AK. I was also hoping one of the 3 people behind might call or even spazz raise since it is 1/2 after all.

The way I looked at it was if we get it on the flop I am a coin flip or worse never better so why not call and get value by letting him bet into me. Plus not that I think it is terrible to raise to 60$ or whatever but if he flat calls and fires again on a blank for me it is pretty gross.

And when I call the river I think it is a pretty easy river call/bet on any non-spade non 8 non k river. So 80% of the time I think I have an easy decision though sometimes I lose to AQspades or a full-house but those hands I would have lost to anyways if we got it in on the flop. I don't think this villain ever has AX of spades or at least only like 1% of the time.

The river came a spade.
Villain bet 100$
I tanked and folded.
Villain didn't show but after some table talk and after the villain said some stuff he seemed to feel bad about he admitted (I thought he was honest) that he had A spades q hearts.

You're forgetting your fold equity. By flatting the flop, the only way you win is if you hit your hand. By raising the flop, you can win by having villain fold or by hitting your hand. Plus, if villain flats and the flush comes in ott and the board pairs. There's a decent chance a bet by you here will fold him out as well. If he leads on a blank, you still have great equity and his range is pretty much polarized to TP, so you can still put in a sizable raise on the turn and expect a lot of folds, but still great equity if you're called.

What accomplice said. The flop raise is as much about fold equity and balance as anything else. If you can't raise/call this hand what are doing it with, sets only? You'll get exploited to hell by a decent villian if all you have in your raising range is made hands.

$8 rake? WTF?

Where is this? I thought $6 rake (where I play) was bad.

I tend to agree.
AT least 80% of the time I re-raise a straight/flush draw.
I just thought because Villain was pretty straight forward and there were a couple of people left to act that this might be one the few times it is okay/better to flat call.

Actually he is right for once, and the idiot play would be to raise here. As played by not raising the flop and board pairing, flat the turn. If checked to bet small on river for value but you also call any non spade river bet as you have majorly under repped your hand.

yes.

or not call pre with J9s. but flatting is bad, folding is lol.

maybe we need to know the stack sizes of BB and UTG+1

UTG1
BB
both had like 200$

Villain utg2 had me covered or even.
The two big stacks at the table were not in the hand.