1/3 nl live, 7 players

mp: $200
HJ: $500
CO: $1000
Button (Hero = T J): $500


pre:
mp $10, hj/co/hero calls, blinds fold

mp is new.
HJ is tight. i havent seen him play many hands in the 3hrs he's been at the table. he has never shown a hand at showdown. whenever he bets, people give him credit and fold.
CO is a tough player with good post-flop skills.

flop ($44): 789
mp $15, hj raises to $60, co calls, Hero?

i put hj on a non-nut flush and wants to protect his hand from a 4th . (or Is it correct here to raise with the nut flush instead of slowplay?)
i put co on either the bare A or 2pair+.

Pot is now $179.
since hj is tight, i thought about a 3bet all in squeeze play to try to get him off his hand.
but i also have position so 'call and re-evaluate on the turn' was my 2nd thought.


What would you do on flop?
What would you do on turn if it was a blank?
and more importantly, WHY?

I flat. We kind of have a bluff-catcher against serious action and only 2 outs to improve so I don't think ripping for 166bb in a single raised pot is great; likewise we can't fold so I call.

Brick turns I'm going to fold to bet followed by a jam sort of action because I think we face made flushes too often, meaning we don't have odds to draw.

I would call. I would imagine the tight hj will play face up after getting 2 cold callers

Shoving would be terrible. I don’t hate calling but this might just be a fold. It’s very easy to be drawing to our straight flush outs only. When ahead we probably only have like 50% equity.

I'm folding

mp still to act can re-raise

we might be ahead now but we will face a turn bet no matter what the card and unless its one of our 2 outs we then have to fold

I'd likely fold given the PFR Cbet 4-way on this board. Might shove with KdKx+ and reopen action.

I'd fold JTo pre in this spot.

This is a tough spot, and I would probably fold and hate it, for the following reasons:
1) Hero can't close the action. So you're pot odds are just an illusion.
2a) MP is betting into 3 opponents on this board. MP likely has a good hand.
2b) Continuing on #2a, MP, the original bettor, only has $175 behind, if he elects to continue, he's going to shove an reopen the action again. Good chance you might need to put in $190-430 to see the turn card, which you wouldn't do.
3) HJ is tight according to OP. Tight players don't raise this flop with two players left to act without a really strong hand. I would be shocked to see HJ without a set or a made flush already. With a 789 diamond board, there are very few flushes that are lower where Hero has equity with the Td.
4) CO is a tough player according to OP. That means that CO likely sees HJ as tight, so his cold call with Hero and MP behind indicates a hand with some serious equity.

Too often Hero is drawing to the two outer only. When he's ahead, he's likely facing a set and a higher flush draw, and has about 50-55% equity. Too often, Hero will call the $60 bet and have to fold when MP shoves and get's called or reshoved in one or two spots. I think there are better spots to get serious money involved.

I would call if I could close the action.

Love our seat position; from the looks of it in immediate position on the deeper stacks, nice, imo.

I'm ok with preflop. Even against the shortstack we're getting good IO of over 20:1, let alone against the deeper stacks (although the deeper stacks don't sound like idiots). But overall I'm fine with attempting to get into a pot for cheap on the Button with any playable hand, and $10 is pretty cheap for a 1/3 NL game with these stacks.

I would just call the flop. I didn't see a more-or-less limped pot to stack off with a straight on a flush board. The rest of the hand will likely play out fairly honestly due to it being multiway due to anyone could easily be slowplaying the nut flush here (so no one is likely to get too out-of-line if they don't have a huge hand themselves). HJ could easily be raising a set or two pair; in general I'm never attempting to raise someone off a flush. Let's just use our position to evaluate the turn card and action and make a better decision then.

On a blank turn, if anyone continues betting for a significant amount I would probably lean to a fold.

ETA: I don't think a fold is completely unreasonable either. The main reason for this is that the cbetting MP might consider themselves committed at this stack size and just hurp durp shove some hands they would not shove at deeper stacks facing this action.

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Tight players aren't raising a lot of flops that are this coordinated without a very strong hand. Tough players aren't cold calling a raise too often from a tight player with two players left to act on the flop either. I lean towards fold.