1/2/3 @ M8trix

Hero (BTN): Just moved from another table (other table was tight/reg-fested, this table looked super fishy). Sitting on ~$400 (bought in for $420). Third hand at the table, no real reads, except table seemed kinda limpy/tight preflop.

V (SB): Young Chinese woman, accented English. Seems to be a tech person (this is Silicon Valley). No reads as this is the third hand, but she hasn't raised yet pre, seems kinda limp-cally too like the rest of table. Stack: ~$170.

Preflop:
Straddled by a passive player to 6$, 1 caller in MP, folds to hero on BTN with A5o, hero raises to 28, V calls, MP calls.

Logic: table seemed weak, I planned on stealing postflop, or just taking down the straddle/limper. Going 3-way to the flop was kinda meh, but still felt okay.

Flop (~90$ after rake): A J 5
V open shoves ~$140, MP folds, hero?

We can probably give her a range of 55/JJ, AJ, AQ/AK (these should be discounted a bit, as I'm not sure she would open shove these 100%). I don't think she ever shows up with air here. Is she ever showing up here with anything but AJ/55/JJ though? I hate going to the flop with SPR < 2, flopping 2p, then having to fold..

Me too. I call. I think you are giving he a range that is too tight. I wouldn't be surprised to see her show up with any ace that she called with pre.

Call.

Call.

You should discount them, but I think she has J5, Ax, Jx, 5x, straight draws, and pocket pairs that don't make a set in her range. I have seen some players show up with a hand like QQ in this sort of spot.

What sort of villain do you think she is?

In your experience you think this type of player is calling 30 pre from sb with J5 often enough to consider?

I would discount AJ and 55 significantly. Having QQ would be crazy but yeah, it happens.

Snap call.

Passive and not a maniac. If she is calling 30 with J5 she is never folding pre and hero should know that.

I think we don't have enough info to treat this player differently from a random player. It's their third hand together, so she presumably limped UTG (OP is bad at writing OPs if she raised or straddled) then checked or called a straddle in the BB. Now she is in the SB. Hero pretty much as no idea how she reacts to a raise and only a very small sample size to think she might be a generic loose-passive player.

I'd be okay with discounting her range by putting J5s but not J5o in her range, or even just half of J5s combinations. I don't think that is close enough to zero that we can treat it as if she never has J5 in her range.

Indeed, I didn't notice 3rd hand. We really have no read imo but I'm never ever giving J5. I play in tight games so I'm biased that way. She is in sb per villain description, so she hasn't even limped yet. I'd almost never give AT- and rarely 55. I need to move to your city.

lol @ folding. Come on now.

I also play in games that are usually tighter than most hands posted here, but the loosest players can still be really loose preflop. But I have played with tourists in Vegas and I have played with loose-passive Asian players in California. We are likely dealing with a player in the latter category.

Snap man, geez!

One of the biggest benefits to paying attention to SPR is how much it can simplify decision making. (Big PP or AK) + low SPR + (hit flop or overpair) ==> pot committed post flop. Exceptions to that commitment are rare. (Tons of experience with V, solid tell, super wet board, for examples.)

You can hurt your head with ranging this V but you've seen her play two hands.

You can also go round and round with "If she flopped a set she would never have shoved, she would have made a small be or slow played, but maybe she's not good enough to know that, or maybe she's so good she's expecting ME to know that, so she shoved knowing it's an overbet and will look like a steal, or she's just clueless, or....."

Meh. This is not the 8th hour playing with this villain and an SPR of 100.

H has seen V play two hands before this. SPR is 2. H flopped A/rag two pair.

Save the CPU cycles and call.

I have no such varied experience having only played in the lower mainland of BC. However, there is some variation, in fact I have read advice in this forum that would be correct at one local casino and suicide at another.