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08-26-2023 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
Speaking about how people are adjusting presumes that you know how these people would play in a regular game structure. Which you don’t. If the player is VPIPing 30% with mostly limps, well, who’s to say they would VPIP 15% without the BTN blind? This is a counterfactual — you don’t know, I don’t know, nobody knows how this player plays in other games. If you follow them to Vegas or Texas and watch them play in a 1/2 then you can get a sense for how they may have “adjusted” — but of course even then it is relative because their strategy is likely a function of the looseness of the other players at the table.
This is like arguing with someone about sex who has never had sex
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08-26-2023 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
This is like arguing with someone about sex who has never had sex
You are arguing with someone who likes to think about poker. If you put me in a BTN blind game say at 5/10 where the BTN posts an extra 10…I would start by not opening to to my standard 3x with a 30% range in the CO…because (1) if I open to that size with my standard range then the BTN is getting a discount to enter the pot, and I know he’s going to be able to flat a bunch of hands profitably that he would otherwise not be able to flat if he had to pay the full 3bb to enter the pot. His wider flatting range is stealing equity from the worst hands in my opening range and those are no longer profitable opens. I am going to likely adjust by increasing my opening size to around 4.5-5x which is more optimal given that I am going to be playing OOP more often versus the BTN who will be playing a wider range. Given that I am going to be opening much larger then I will be incentivized to open even tighter.

So if I played a 5/10 game with 10 BTN blind I would tighten up significantly.

I don’t like to play in games where I feel incentivized to tighten up in order to play well.

So I would rather not play that structure.
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08-26-2023 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
This is like arguing with someone about sex who has never had sex
I have put 100s of hours in a BTN blind game in the Bay Area (Oaks card club to be specific) so your point is not even valid.
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08-26-2023 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
You are arguing with someone who likes to think about poker. If you put me in a BTN blind game say at 5/10 where the BTN posts an extra 10Â…I would start by not opening to to my standard 3x with a 30% range in the COÂ…because (1) if I open to that size with my standard range then the BTN is getting a discount to enter the pot, and I know heÂ’s going to be able to flat a bunch of hands profitably that he would otherwise not be able to flat if he had to pay the full 3bb to enter the pot. His wider flatting range is stealing equity from the worst hands in my opening range and those are no longer profitable opens. I am going to likely adjust by increasing my opening size to around 4.5-5x which is more optimal given that I am going to be playing OOP more often versus the BTN who will be playing a wider range. Given that I am going to be opening much larger then I will be incentivized to open even tighter.

So if I played a 5/10 game with 10 BTN blind I would tighten up significantly from all positions except the BTN.

I donÂ’t like to play in games where I feel incentivized to tighten up in order to play well.

So I would rather not play that structure.
Cliff notes: The solver says 87 pumps is optimal. But the more good looking she is, the less pumps im going to get in. I will be Incentivized to open even Tighter.
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08-26-2023 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
I have put 100s of hours in a BTN blind game in the Bay Area (Oaks card club to be specific) so your point is not even valid.
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08-26-2023 , 11:24 PM
Okay Larry. It is clear that you put quite an effort into being loud and confident on the internet. But the snark, sarcasm and condescension in your posts is doing quite a disservice to the forum. Have a good evening.
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08-27-2023 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
I have put 100s of hours in a BTN blind game in the Bay Area (Oaks card club to be specific) so your point is not even valid.
Oh damn you been playing at Oaks too? I wonder if we've played together. Didn't think there would be anyone playing there on here.
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08-27-2023 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Oh damn you been playing at Oaks too? I wonder if we've played together. Didn't think there would be anyone playing there on here.
Played there a bunch in summer 2019, mostly at the 2/3/5 game. Action was incredible. Crypto bull market seems to be a factor. There was one Crypto guy who used to come in the afternoons and drop 4-5k every day at the 2/3/5.
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08-27-2023 , 08:13 AM
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Played there a bunch in summer 2019, mostly at the 2/3/5 game. Action was incredible. Crypto bull market seems to be a factor. There was one Crypto guy who used to come in the afternoons and drop 4-5k every day at the 2/3/5.
So the only place you have played the button blind game the action was incredible. But you wrote an essay to say all of our combined experience with incredible action at button blind locations is mere coincidence. And your feelings were hurt because i disagree with your essay too strongly. Must be something in the water at poker oaks that makes everyone such fun action packed players.
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08-27-2023 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
So the only place you have played the button blind game the action was incredible. But you wrote an essay to say all of our combined experience with incredible action at button blind locations is mere coincidence. And your feelings were hurt because i disagree with your essay too strongly. Must be something in the water at poker oaks that makes everyone such fun action packed players.
The action wasn’t good because of $2 posted on the BTN in a 3/5 game which is just a drop in the water strategically. The action was good because the players were clueless and were completely unaware of strategy, like most players at LLSNL, but they also wanted to gamble.

Bay Area clubs allow straddles from any position on the table. About half of the hands I played at Oaks had a winners straddle so the player who won the previous hand posted an extra $10 and action starts after that player and proceeds clockwise through the blinds.

My feelings aren’t hurt by you, but you’re trolling the thread by posting personal insults. Mods will close the thread if that behavior continues.
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08-27-2023 , 10:35 AM
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Okay Larry. It is clear that you put quite an effort into being loud and confident on the internet. But the snark, sarcasm and condescension in your posts is doing quite a disservice to the forum. Have a good evening.
The only personal insult in this thread.
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08-27-2023 , 11:49 AM
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Played there a bunch in summer 2019, mostly at the 2/3/5 game. Action was incredible. Crypto bull market seems to be a factor. There was one Crypto guy who used to come in the afternoons and drop 4-5k every day at the 2/3/5.
Oh ok yeah I usually go Friday nights. They have the $10 winner's straddle every hand each time I've played it's gone 100% of the time.
So it's really a 2/3/5/10 game.

But yeah probably the worst group of players I've played with in a very long time. The action is still really good.
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