Again, those advocating betting flop, is it bet/fold or what? (I think only one person has addressed this, as bet/fold.)

I'm not expecting to get raised here very often on this flop. Reasonably, there are three 77 combos and three JJ combos. I guess you could add 2 KJs combos but $60 at 1/2 is pretty big, I'm not sure those stay in.

Anywho, none of those hands should be raising. Now that doesn't mean villain doesn't raise JJ here to "protect his hand" or whatever. But I expect it to flat most often.

That leaves AK as a raising hand (which is bad but we still see enough to include it in a flop raising range) and again if possible the QTs combos. I don't think QTs sees the flop, and if it does I don't think it raises here, but again man you never know, each session I play I see more random button clicking spew than the night before.

That's a long winded way of saying I don't expect to get raised otf often, and while it's always good to be thinking ahead, don't overthink ahead. If I did get raised it would depend on which villain, timing, and sizing. Probably at least calling flop.

The reason why this flop is a good cbet is bc top pair in unlikely to change and therefore villains continuing ranges will be fairly inelastic.

We can check 337r because we fear zero cards and villains can pick up hands otts.

We can check 89Thh bc villains have a big range advantage on us and our value is best extracted when our equity is more solidified (on a blank turn)

Don't check high broadway dry flops when we have an overpair in a 3b pot.

I guess there is just too much speculation in this hand. One person thinks KT, etc., is in V's ranges and some of us disagree, OP has no reads on Vs (but should after an hour), we don't know how table got so deep, etc.

I do think you should have a plan when you bet flop, though, before you make the bet.

OP, how did you get so deep and what did V have?

+1 very good post.

I'm always betting this flop w/ limited reads

We're OOP; the villains will decide at their whim whether the rest of it (by this time a mere 1/2 PSB) will go in.

GcluelesspositionnoobG

For me the uber-specific circumstances are (a) we're playing 400bbs deep (400bbs deep, JFC!!!), (b) we are completely readless (lolz), (c) we'll be OOP and (d) we've just setup an SPR 6 pot OOP to 2 unknown opponents and possibly turned our hand face up on the table having gotten in a lol 5% of stack preflop (this is a good situation?).

Gnotsurewhatothercircumstancesweneed?G

V10 still the man.
If you're viewed as a maniac (they will call you super light), this could be a 3 street hand.


THIS!

Yep

Agree here. With AA, I don't even mind bet/call if you think they'll get froggy with TPGK.

This is fine.

I prob bet turn and river.

On my total nutso-image days, this is a simple 3 streets of rape hand. Just toss bombs over baghdad every action until its over.

I'm guessing our image plays a pretty important role in how we should play this hand. My guess is Hero's image is a lot closer to my nit image than your nutso one.

GcluelessimagenoobG

I'm guessing hero is viewed as a bit less nitty than you, but agreed Hero is closer to that. W more straightforward image, I'd take on 2 streets and call it a day.

I think it's valuable to thread readership to point out other possibilities. If anyone starts taking more of my advice/lines they're going to need to adjust postflop spots accordingly as their image shifts to "drunken degen!"


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