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10-02-2013 , 12:41 AM
V1 ($230) - late 40's asian guy with one of those really cute man bag purses.

V2 ($100) - late 20's russian guy who's been undergoing monkey tilt and has rebought 2-3 times in the last 20 minutes. Normally places decent but for today just got him. Stacked him earlier by getting it in with a small pair preflop when he hand QTh for $250.

Hero ($500) - have been playing fairly straightforward and getting paid.

Hero has AA on button

V2 limps in MP, folds around to Hero who raises to $12, V1 calls in BB and V2 calls.

Flop $37
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V1 checks
V2 pauses and bets $25
Hero raises to $65
V1 says "Okay, I'm all in."
V2 puts the rest in.
Hero folds.

Question.
1) my intent with raising otf was to get the rest of V2's money in, I feel like I could even raise to $50 and still get him to come over the top. If possible to get the same result, is it better to take the cheaper option.
2) I'm pretty sure this is an easy fold but I just want to see if anyone disagrees and why.
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10-02-2013 , 01:09 AM
I'd prefer a flat over a raise when IP, but I'd definitely fold as played.
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10-02-2013 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Sol Reader
I'd prefer a flat over a raise when IP, but I'd definitely fold as played.
When flatting are we hoping for V1 to come along or is this just to make sure we don't scare V2 away?
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10-02-2013 , 01:15 AM
We don't really care too much what V1 does, anybody who continues on the flop is going to have decent equity and make later streets annoying to play. We're not trapping just playing our hand for its value, and we're overrepping by raising there.
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10-02-2013 , 01:30 AM
I think your line is fine.
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10-02-2013 , 03:10 AM
If V1 looks like he has money (his clothes/man purse/watch/etc), you should call.

Otherwise, it's not an easy fold, but it's probably correct. If you're ahead, he has outs, and you might not have outs.

The cute man purse description sounds fancier than a backpack or messenger bag though and sounds moneyish.

I like your raise a lot.
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10-02-2013 , 03:12 AM
let's see, he c/r'd all in over the top of a bet and a reraise. Yep, smells like nut straight to me. Without any reads to the contrary on V1 I would snap fold.
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10-02-2013 , 06:48 AM
Looks good to me

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10-02-2013 , 07:19 AM
Was the $12 PF standard? Was there a chance that if you go slightly higher that you get V2 HU?

This is a tough Flop 3-ways so 'cheap'. I would flat or raise here, probably flat more though to see what V1 did before I put more into the Flop. These are the kind of pots that can sour a session and you got to figure that V2's money is in there already. Isolation is fine but I also start thinking about a side pot as well.

Beware the speach!! Good fold IMO ... Too much of your stack against a 1-2 shove but I wouldnt be surprised to see 9T or 66 pop up here quite often. You only have runner-runner to make a 5 card hand and pairing the board could give either of these guys trips or better.

Maybe just min raise rather than PSraise to see what V1 is going to do ... saves you $15!! GL
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10-02-2013 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Was the $12 PF standard? Was there a chance that if you go slightly higher that you get V2 HU?

This is a tough Flop 3-ways so 'cheap'. I would flat or raise here, probably flat more though to see what V1 did before I put more into the Flop. These are the kind of pots that can sour a session and you got to figure that V2's money is in there already. Isolation is fine but I also start thinking about a side pot as well.

Beware the speach!! Good fold IMO ... Too much of your stack against a 1-2 shove but I wouldnt be surprised to see 9T or 66 pop up here quite often. You only have runner-runner to make a 5 card hand and pairing the board could give either of these guys trips or better.

Maybe just min raise rather than PSraise to see what V1 is going to do ... saves you $15!!! GL
I did the $12 raise because I didn't want to scare V2 away. He only had $100 stack and I just thought that 12 might seem more "callable." Normally, I'd raise to $15-$17ish. That being said, given his tilt - i doubt he was folding anyway, so I probably should've raised a little bigger pre.
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10-02-2013 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lionhat
I did the $12 raise because I didn't want to scare V2 away. He only had $100 stack and I just thought that 12 might seem more "callable." Normally, I'd raise to $15-$17ish. That being said, given his tilt - i doubt he was folding anyway, so I probably should've raised a little bigger pre.
There you go!! You really dont want to be multi-way with AA/KK, even in position. Once you see a Flop like this multi-way AND there's a short stack involved it's best to proceed with caution since the short stack will price in the 3rd player if he's even close to the Flop.

You've done a good job of not telling us what happened but we can assume that you lost the hand to V1 somehow. Sometimes these things just happen in poker. GL
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10-02-2013 , 05:50 PM
Yeah. He had JT. I was just wondering if anyone was a fan of calling.
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10-02-2013 , 06:07 PM
This is a never call. At best you're flipping, at worst you're in need of hitting a 2 outer or running boat. V1 has a nutty hand usually and V2 probably has something with a T.
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