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Is stacking of here superbad or whatever cooler? Is stacking of here superbad or whatever cooler?

05-16-2011 , 03:08 PM
Limped 7 way pot

Live 1/2

Hero 275$


Hero Button 10 6
(online I never play this hand but live 1/2 I don't how bad it is?)

Pot 14$

Flop
789

Utg2 bets 15$ nitty-passive
Cut-off Calls
Hero raises to 55$
Utg2 calls (insta)
Cut-off calls (insta)

Did I just maximize what I was going to lose?
Should I pot control here in a family pot?


Turn Blank 2
Pot 200$

Utg 2 Bets 40$ (I know most players would bet the nut straight bigger here but this guy seemed clueless so I didn't know what was going on)
Cut-off insta calls ( i know this player would raise the nut straight here 100%)
Hero ???????

Pot 280$ before my action I have 160+40 (200$) behind.

I was like **** me nit probably has the nut straight but if he doesn't i really need to raise to get cut-off out who I am sure is on a flush or trips.

I eventually decided if I call the 40$ I have to call the river (non-spade anyways) so I mine as well shove.

utg2 insta called/ cut-off folded a flush draw....utg2 had 10/j

So I am actually interested what's the worst mistake I made in this hand? pre?flop size raise? turn?
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05-16-2011 , 03:14 PM
Fold pre, and this is a good example why.
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05-16-2011 , 03:18 PM
Biggest mistake is preflop. When you call with hands like T6,95,84, you can never flop the nut straight. Especially with T6 when so many live villains like playing JT (like me.)
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05-16-2011 , 03:18 PM
Worst mistake was playing T6. Next worst mistake was raising a nitty-passive player's pot-sized bet.
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05-16-2011 , 03:18 PM
you played it fine.it's a cooler.pre flop is fine because people at the table seem horrible,play as many hands as you can against them.
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05-16-2011 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by baat
you played it fine.it's a cooler.pre flop is fine because people at the table seem horrible,play as many hands as you can against them.
yes, the key to beating bad players is to emulate them.
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05-16-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AEPpoker
yes, the key to beating bad players is to emulate them.
playing with a looser preflop range against the players we have a huge postflop edge is very profitable,imo.
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05-16-2011 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by baat
playing with a looser preflop range against the players we have a huge postflop edge is very profitable,imo.
You realize that a looser preflop range that includes T6s means you're playing about 40% of your hands then, right? I loosen up too in position, I play suited 1 gappers, occasionally 2 gappers, unsuited connectors, but T6s is way outside of this range.
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05-16-2011 , 03:52 PM
You need to shove turn - you don't want the others to draw cheaply.

It's a cooler hand. Although if villain is a supernit you could maybe fold turn (if he only ever bets 15 OTF with top set and straight and shuts down on turn with top set - and yes I have played against players that are this nitty).

It can be discussed whether you should muck the hand pf - but I really don't see it as a trouble hand as you normally know where you're at.
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05-16-2011 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Fold pre, and this is a good example why.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Accomplice
Biggest mistake is preflop. When you call with hands like T6,95,84, you can never flop the nut straight. Especially with T6 when so many live villains like playing JT (like me.)
I agree with the above.

T6s is going to do what?

Flop the straight and get owned by JT like above?

Get a mediocre flush that is crushed (in a limped pot) by AXs, KXs, QXs, and any suited broadway (KQs, KJs, QJs) that many people limp in with?

Hit top pair with no kicker, that is crushed by anyone else holding a 10? (8T, 9T, JT, QT, KT, AT...all of which are often played in limped pots).

Pair the 6? What good is that?

Flop 2 pair? This 2 pair isn't even that good. And if your goal is to flop 2 pair, any two cards can flop 2 pair, might as well just limp every hand and hope.

The only hope I see for this hand is purely to play position and attempt to steal the pot, if nobody shows any interest. In a multiway limped pot at 1/2, that is a challenge. Some calling station will at least see the turn.
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05-16-2011 , 04:46 PM
u guys are ******ed. its a cooler, that is all.
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05-16-2011 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by albert kang
u guys are ******ed. its a cooler, that is all.
Of course it's a cooler post flop. Hero never should've been in the hand to begin with is what we're arguing.
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05-16-2011 , 07:53 PM
T6s is out of the range. You never feel comfortable putting the money in due to your example.

As played WTF can you do its a cooler. I will welcome you to the cooler club cuz dats been me the last several weeks. The nit slowplaying the nut str8 on the flop was bad with 2 people in, a raise, and a flat caller.
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05-16-2011 , 08:01 PM
If you're calling the limp IP then I think your play is fine. That said, if you have really strong reads on your villian then there's nothing wrong with folding. As played it's a cooler.
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05-16-2011 , 08:28 PM
Played the hand fine post but either 3 bet or fold pre
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05-16-2011 , 10:00 PM
Fold PF......

Played fine postflop
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05-16-2011 , 10:09 PM
Yes it's a cooler post flop, but folding pre is best IMO.
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