So what are the main adjustments? I need some variety in poker or it becomes very boring, so decided to play the only game they have live at my local casino, $2/$5 NL with $500 buyin. (They have $1.$2 as well)

I've played about 100k hands at $1/$2 and beating it for about 3bb/100 and about slightly ahead over a small sample as $2/4.

Questions:

1. Is a 20x bankroll enough for live full ring? What is standard/recommended?
2. 3 limpers, I have A8o OTB, do I raise it up (your average table, no particular reads)
3. Do I raise SC in LP after a couple limpers
4. What adjustments do I need to make?

Feel free to move if this is in the wrong forum, thanks in advance.

FWIW, I've read http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...umber=11802565

1. I would say yes if you are half-decent. You can always drop back to 1/2 if you run bad for 8-10 buy ins.
2. I would say no.
3. Assuming everyone has a 100BB+ stack then yes raise here most of the time imo.
4. Just be aware that 90% of your opponents will being playing the equivalent of 5NL online or worse. Most players will be uber passive but you will get the occansional drunk spewtard etc. Know how to take advantage of each type. Be prepared for multiway action in raised pots OFTEN. Be prepared for a larger average opening raise. Most people will not be bluffing you on later streets. Don't bluff 3 streets often especially on dry boards.

1. Yes
2. Generally no, unless you have a tight image and raise enough to where the limpers fold most of the time. Keep in mind people love to limp/call pre-flop in these games.
3. It really depends on your image and who the limpers are. Sometimes I raise, sometimes I fold, sometimes I call.
4. See what wake-up said.

Thanks for the replies, I would not be moving back down to $1.$2 as I could do that online instead.

Is it okay to limp with 22-66 utg? And hands like 67s, TJs? Of course that depends how aggressive in general the table is, but without much of a read/feel?

What hands am I supposed to raise with and in what position? I started off playing full ring around 4 years ago, and never touched it since.

Im also assuming people in general dont 3 bet light like in 6 max, is it still standard to stack off QQ/AK in a LP vs Blinds for 100bb? (Once again, without knowing he's a nit or lagtard)

Im assuming I wont need to balance my range as much?

What kind of hands do I raise in LP after a couple limpers, 88+ AJ+, is it better to limp with ATs to play multiway?

Sorry for all these questions.

i'd limp utg with all those hand if the table was not too aggro. i might raise with 67s if the stacks are 150BB+.

with your experience, i don't think you need a starting hand chart or anything. just remember that you'll be playing for value most of the time and mix that up with the odd isolation raise/cbet. don't worry about getting too aggro on the button. you'll be burning $$ most of the time rasing with complete crap.

there are definately times you'll be able to get away from QQ/AK pf since the 3-bet range of most villains will be AK, QQ+.

depends. if there is a raise from a short stack, i'll sometimes raise to isolate him and get in with with suited connectors or something to build up an image as a bit of a crazy man. but when you're tangling with big stacks, there's no profit in getting too tricky imo. this can also have to effect of loosening up the table in general.

that's about right as far as rasing for value is concerned, but don't be afraid to throw in 3 to 4BB raises with SC's, low PP's etc. to build a bigger pot in position. your opponents won't pick up on what you are doing for the most part.

Thank for the replies, very helpful, I never thought about limping (used to 6 max).

When you say raise 3-4bb with sc IP, is that before or after limpers? If it folds to me in LP, just play like 6 max?

i meant after limpers, just as a small "pot builder" raise in position. this doesn't really work online (esp. in 6max).

i guess what i mean is that you can vary your raise sizes to suit your cards without worrying too much about people knowing what or why you are doing it because they are usually too concerned about how long the waitress has been with their corona.

You need to adjust in 3bet pots when playing live. People's 3bet ranges are so damn narrow that most of them aren't even 3betting AK. For some reason, people live hate AK with a passion and don't play it aggressively. You can take two approaches to help with this. You can 3bet light, since people only 3bet with QQ+, or you can 3bet tighter and try to play better post flop. In some games, 3betting screams QQ+, so you can abuse the play's image or hide the strength of your hand and try to get value from your hand postflop. One exception you need to take is that when its multiway, you can definitely iso 3bet. Also you can still 3bet OOP.

Often times, raising ranges are much more narrow live as well. People love to limp. You should be trying to iso and take it down, as pots are hard to win when 7 people see the flop.

Oh and unless you're in an aggressive game, I wouldn't suggest limping big hands early because a lot of the time, you see multiway pots OOP, which is tough. People just don't raise as much live compared to online, so keep that in mind

And you can limp many many many speculative hands and see pots cheap. Most live games allow you to see many cheap pots and the players stack off pretty light.

Cbetting is very effective live. People just fold fold fold all the time. Be wary of any raises post flop. Move live players need a very very strong hand to raise postflop, so don't try too many 3bet bluffs on the flop or turn.

Oh and on the river, people rarely bet for value without the nuts. Watch out for most bets on the river because live players need really strong hands to bet non-nut hands for value (unless they are bluffing)

2/5 depends a TON on the table dynamics. Sometimes its a limp fest with 7 people seeing every flop in an unraised pot (but all of them will call if you raise it to like $35 or 40). Other times its ****** aggro, with avg opening raise of $50 and people CALLING a $150-$200 3-bet with crap like Q5s (because its suited). Note people will rarely make the 3-bet with anything less than QQ. Live players hate AK (as stated before) and JJ. A lot of them also bitch about AA and will make ridiculously large raises with it just to take down the pot preflop and not 'get sucked out on'. Adjust to the tables, and realize that live play is nothing like online. People call A LOT. Don't run too many big bluffs and realize that your implied odds are generally greater.

I'll answer your questions with a lot of experience.
- A 20x bankroll is totally fine but more would be nicer.
- No probably not. You'll just end up taking a 5 way flop.
- Depends on stack sizes a lot. Also, 78s < 10Js
- Learn to nit it up if the game isn't short handed, bring a book to read cuz it's slow, talk to people at the table don't be a statue, never fold a pocket pair for a single raise, don't raise to pot or 3x pf. You can get away with opening for 7x+ and by all means you should usually do it, expect to see a lot of weird **** and don't ever think that someone is 3 betting you light. Oh.. and when those monkeys who like just toss in a small small raise afer a bunch of limpers (ie. 5-5NL and 2 limpers and someone who plays a lot of pots throws in $15) just snap 3 bet in pos every time and expect to be rich.

If you are a decent online 6 max player at small stakes, You SHOULD be able to make several general poker adjustments and play FULL RING live or online pretty damn well already. If you cant do that, then something is kind of wrong in your game. If that doesnt help, maybe this will. Play tighter oop!




Jeremy

expect to be very bored, don't drink too much unless you're just there to have fun, pretend like you're playing 10NL - 25NL online, the play is easily that bad.

LOL, unless you're in vegas or some reg packed game, 10-20 live is much much easier than .5-1 online. 5-5 NL live is like 10NL or worse depending on the day and 1-2 NL live is like play money wish a few super nits mixed in.

Lots of good responses here, much appreciated.

As a general guide, is this okay? (I never really played with a starting hand chart in 6 max, but I just need a place to start)

10 players

Utg, utg+1, utg +2 (EP)

(the rest is 6 max except when there are limpers, Im more inclined to limp with Axs, sc, 22-99, basically any hand that plays well multiway)

So EP, I only raise AQ+/TT+, TJs(to "slightly" balance my range, not that it matters that much), and limp with 22+, AXs, and 45s+

Or is that too loose for EP (assuming a standard loosish passive game)

Don't listen to the people who say that live MSNL is "just like" online
SSNL. Live is easier than online, but the dynamics of the two games is different.

There are many good responses in the thread, but I'll add these things:
1) Players are much more polarized in their ability level than online. At a full 2/5NL at the Borgata, you'll generally find yourself sitting with 1-2 people who are very good winning players, 3-6 somewhat solid, decent players, and 2-3 complete idiots. Obviously, a lot of energy and time should be spent in getting involved in hands HU or short-handed with the idiots.
2) Because your sample size is so tiny -- you only see a couple of hundred hands total for an entire day -- your swings can be significant over fairly long periods of time. Therefore, you need a huge edge to consistently win. Fortunately, at most 2/5NL games, having a huge edge is pretty easy to achieve.
3) Do not bluff the fish. Live players love to call more than online players.
4) Give more respect to strong plays live than online. 3bets and check raises are more likely signs of very strong holdings live than online. Of course, this is player/game dependent.
5) ABC poker wins the money at this level. Leave your advanced plays for 5/10NL+. When you have a good hand, bet, raise, and reraise. Almost never slowplay unless you have a very specific reason to (i.e. letting someone draw to the second nuts cheaply, for example.)