I personally think that bluffing at live poker is thought of as impossible more due to it being approached improperly rather than bluffing being impossible. Everyone has their inflection points (for their particular mental state at the time). Ive always been a fan of "betting enuff to make it hurt" when bluffing UNLESS against a villain who understands polarity. (which most live players think as to do with the North Pole or somewhere cold)

The typical live player would have called with lex's hand because its KJ and they were "pot committed". So if Ivey tried that in a low stakes game he'd look like an idiot.

I just squeezed yesterday in a 5/10 game with j8o OTB when a really bad sLAG opened UTG for $30 and 2 people called him. Made it $150 to go, I only started the hand with a $700 stack. UTG instacalls with 67s, and one of the limpers called with K4o because "pot odds". Even in 5/10 if you know your opponents are raising garbage that doesn't mean you can make them fold.

what he means is that in a tournament, the size of your stack at any point is more valuable than in a cash game, where its value doesn't really change (unless you happen to have a really bad villain who is deeper than you and your stack is already over the max buy-in). so squeeze plays make more sense in a tournament

i'm sure you understood that already bgp, but i wan't to write it to sort it out for myself in my head

As far as the Ivey hand goes I think your mistaken and most players will muck KJ suited pre for their entire stack, you might want to go back and look at how deep they were.

In regards to your 5/10 raising to $150 isn't exactly how to take the pot pre if you were trying to squeeze. When Ivey makes Lex fold it's because he's gone all in a huge bet. Raising to 150 isn't the raise size you need to make them fold, especially in a multi-way pot. Cold shoving or overbetting the pot is; but to do this you have to have a solid read, then the balls to act on it like Ivey.

Exactly, $150 in a 5/10 game not gonna make anyone fold. Make that move on the turn with a bigger bet. Then your playing like ivey.

The bet has to hurt your opponent when you put in a big raise.

Can you expand on the polarity concept and maybe give an example of when you took advantage of someone's inflection point (and maybe, how you gauged it)?

I think the key here is to buy in for the minimum. An aggro guy opening a ton of hands raises, a few calling stations call with their Kxs or 89o or w/e and you jam any pair + any suited ace + any suited broadway + KJo+. Ship it. Let's say it's a 2/5 game and you have 100. Standard open raise is like $25 or more (sometimes $35/$40+), three callers there is $100+ to be won there and if you are called you will still have equity or be a favourite.

Also could pull the same raise against a table full of limpers. 8 limpers or w/e you are in the bb w/ 20 bb and you jam a wide range

I definitely agree, making a larger raise than normal is needed to pull of a successful squeeze. In a live deep NL game.

All i know is that when i make a pot sized reraise PF out of the blinds,
I get sick action.
thanks guys, for squeezing w/ 9Ts, and doing my advertising for me,
as I always have what I'm supposed to have.

funny thing is, nobody seems to know what you're supposed to have in that spot anymore.

Yeah I definitely should have just shoved $700 to win $90, stupid me. The squeeze play works, I've just been doing it wrong the whole time!

So you want me to squeeze with 66? hmmmm IC

I only skimmed the firts half of this thread, but there are a lot of valid points. Kurt bring up no FE in LLSNL... I disagree. There are certainly players that are nits, raise light, fold to aggression, and stack off super light, you just have to identify who they are before you squeeze. If you're squeezing you should be doing it for value, and therefore should not be wasting the odds you're getting to call with a hand like 66 or A3s by turning it into a bluff. I'd rant more but it seems like a lot of posters covered key points.

Personally I think squeezing w/66 from the SB against an UTG raise and multiple callers is tantamount to lighting money on fire against the significant majority of live $1/2 players precisely because they're only opening UTG with 4% of their hands, as OP states, probably even less in some cases since I see plenty of players open limp TT-QQ because "they're hard to play" and "I wanted to see a flop." Some players will never open UTG, they will limp-call most hands they want to play (maybe 30%) and limp-rr their monsters.

More to the point, live players adjust. They sometimes adjust incorrectly, often laughably so, but they do take note of guys that like to pull off this sort of play (I refer to the big squeezes and other grandiose moves as "attention whore" plays) and will start looking to gambooool more and more. This is of course potentially beneficial to us, since it gets our monsters paid in similar spots, but can be dangerous if we start to get into a rhythm with this sort of bully-play, since you can lose track of just how much you're risking with a single over-raise.

There's definitely a spot for the light squeeze in LLSNL, don't get me wrong, if you've got a table captain raising most hands from any position and multiple dead money callers with deep stacks you don't quite think they're ready to lose, if you've got a tight image, you can certainly play against that image and let fly, and it should show a very nice profit over time.

But I think that on balance your post is assuming the raising and stacking off percentages of our initial UTG raiser that most justify the play to begin with, without any actual data. Standard fish at this level suck preflop, yes, but they suck postflop too, and there's no reason not to see flops with our speculative hands in large multiway pots and with deep stacks and take better advantage of their postflop leaks.

the players preflop calls are major leaks. They suck even worse after the flop on the whole.

didn't read op, but squeezing should only be done IP and when you have a good solid read on EVERYONE, and you have some decent cards.

doing it with A3/66 is lulz