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07-01-2017 , 11:35 PM
Uncharacteristically tough and aggro 1/2 table. Finding few spots and getting up soon, but here we are on the button with JT, when the CO opens to $8 and $120 behind.

I prob have tight, straight forward, maybe even passive image. Villain pretty straight forward himself. SB is tight w/ $100, BB is unknown w/ $200, I cover all. Tougher players have all folded; remaining players seem manageable.

Comments on all streets appreciated. Need more experience in spots like these.

CO opens to $8
Hero 3! BTN to $20
Blinds fold, villain calls

Flop: 554
He checks, I bet $20, he calls.
Turn: J
We check
River: 9
He checks, I bet $80
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07-01-2017 , 11:42 PM
Sidebar: something I've noticed a ton lately in higher stakes tourneys w 100+ eff stacks, when the bigger name players cbet flops in position, turn gets checked through, they are often bombing rivers when checked to again. Always wondering what they're up to. Capped ranges, etc?

Last edited by dark_horse; 07-01-2017 at 11:48 PM.
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07-01-2017 , 11:44 PM
Pre is just way too loose to 3b, unless he has 99% ft3b just muck it pre. Sizing is also way too small, 3x ip is std

Ap flop is fine, turn good, river is thin but more than fine
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07-02-2017 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Pre is just way too loose to 3b, unless he has 99% ft3b just muck it pre. Sizing is also way too small, 3x ip is std

Ap flop is fine, turn good, river is thin but more than fine
All of this.
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07-02-2017 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dark_horse
Uncharacteristically tough and aggro 1/2 table. Finding few spots and getting up soon, but here we are on the button with JT, when the CO opens to $8 and $120 behind.

I prob have tight, straight forward, maybe even passive image. Villain pretty straight forward himself. SB is tight w/ $100, BB is unknown w/ $200, I cover all. Tougher players have all folded; remaining players seem manageable.

CO opens to $8
Hero 3! BTN to $20
Blinds fold, villain calls
You may be a good player. I have no idea how you approach the game by just reading a little story about this one hand. But what I would say is that betting 17% of effective stacks preflop on JT and cutting your own implied odds on the best drawing connectors is a poor play. Maybe you know things I don't. Who knows?
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07-02-2017 , 04:34 AM
Fold Pre.
Offsuit broadways are bad 3B hands, as noted above, 3x when 3B.

As Played.
I'm good with the flop Bet.
I would have played the Turn and river the other way, bet turn, check river.
What was the reasoning behind your turn check? Did you slow down because now you had something? Check in hopes V now might call a river bet with something like 66-99 but would fold to a turn bet?
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07-02-2017 , 06:23 AM
Not sure if I'm missing something but isn't this an obvious flat on the button with jt..... Folding is just plain old nitty in my opinion, we are in position, connection ting Broadway cards vs a Co open, obv call Imo, and I'm happy for the blinds to come along as well. This pot will be so easy to play post flop I almost feel sorry for our villans.
As mentioned we are in position so this hand plays pretty standard Imo, c-bet I like, turn check I'm OK with. I would probably bet it expecting to check through the river without improving, although I do like the turn check which masks the strength of our hand pretty effectively.

Think this hand was played good, I just don't see the merits in the 3! If you want to 3! Light do it with real junk, not something that flops as well as jt.
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07-02-2017 , 06:28 AM
Well, I like the 3bet better than a call pf. The villain is short stacked and doesn't have enough to pay us off if we hit. Whether it is a good play or not would depend on whether you've seen him fold to a 3bet before. Most small stakes players will not fold to a 3bet pf if they raised. All you have is a bluff, so you're not looking for a call.

My question would be on the flop if you had AA, would you have only bet 20? If so, then the bet is fine. If you would have bumped it up, then you are giving off a sizing tell. If you're really at a "tough" table, that's a bad thing to do. Sure, the tough players aren't in the hand. If they are tough though, they are watching you.

I like the turn check and river bet. You're targeting second pair hands which is more likely to call a river bet, knowing the hand won't cost them any more money.
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07-02-2017 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rubixxcube
Fold Pre.
Offsuit broadways are bad 3B hands, as noted above, 3x when 3B.

As Played.
I'm good with the flop Bet.
I would have played the Turn and river the other way, bet turn, check river.
What was the reasoning behind your turn check? Did you slow down because now you had something? Check in hopes V now might call a river bet with something like 66-99 but would fold to a turn bet?
I would make the 3-bet bigger, but we're doing it to pick up more on the inevitable call on the majority of flops where he misses. Yes, this is almost a pure bluff with this hand, but it has some nice equity to fall back on and in the described game CO's range is pretty wide and therefore probably can't stand much heat.

C-bet is fine, and I'd also check turn since we now have SDV and don't want to blow up the pot. I'd likely barrel if we hadn't turned TP.

River bet is good, as we look like a whiffed AK a lot, but too big, imo. A PSB won't often get called by worse. I go 1/2-2/3 pot.
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