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Spiked top set, extracting value? Spiked top set, extracting value?

09-15-2015 , 01:59 PM
I'm a newish live player trying to improve my game at 1/2 NL before moving up. I'm not super serious yet but I'm a very analytical person (huge chess player) and love the analytical side of this game. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

1/2 NL, quiet casino in Canada with lots of regs but it's labour day so a few americans are up playing. Table is typical for me: about 1 or 2 TAG players that I really don't know how to engage (these guys scare me still, they seem well above my skill level, they sit down, fold 4 orbits, then double up on AKs, it's them I'm trying to emulate). I have a fairly tight image after playing for about 4-5 hours. Max buy is 200, I'm up to ~350.

V1 is playing EVERY hand. Hardly ever folds, bumps up the pot pre, loves c/r on any flop he hits, but when he misses usually seems to call down with anything MPNKish. One hand he agonized over a flop of 8-5-2r when he bet 25$ into a pot of 10-15$ 3-handed after it went bet(25$)-allin(~80$)-reraise allin(~180$) and all he had was A8 against two tight passive players. He thought for 5 minutes and folded.

V2 is playing fairly smart but has several leaks in his game. Guy in his 50's from nearby plays a lot I can tell. Thinks he knows the game a lot but blames bad luck for all his losing. Seemed pretty tight to me but like to play speculative hands and follow them too far I thought.

This hand was very similar and went Hero (350$) 88, V1 (covers), V2 22(~100$).

V1 makes it 10$ to go from EP, V2 calls from HJ-mid, Hero calls from button.

Flop (30$): 852

V1 bets 25$, V2 says "well what can I do" or somesuch and puts it all in for 67$ more, Hero???

I knew V1 hates to fold and almost never does unless the bet is just enormous. He's easily tilted too, here he was more laid back at this point. I think I made a mistake here by shoving the rest (340$) to which V1 agonized again and folded. I think I make these moves because I worry about the worst possible situation in every hand and I hate being drawn on by people chasing straights and flushes (which V1 loves to do and had been all night).
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09-15-2015 , 02:15 PM
There's nothing wrong with a raise to 150 on the flop here instead of spazz jamming 2x pot
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09-15-2015 , 02:17 PM
I flat with some hopes:
1. V1 spazz shoves to blow me out (Super yum yum yum yum)
2. V1 leads on the turn and I can raise him. (I doubt he folds, to this raise ever)
3. If V1 checks turn, I can still pump a big one out, cuz he feels pot committed.

Shoving here is ok because a spade on the turn could kill action. So could some cards completing straights.

But with V's like this, I'm almost always going with the flat.
(FWIW I didn't see that V2 had 22... I actually thought he had 99 or so based upon his reaction.)

I have a little more slow play in me than many others...

Last edited by Dopedupwalrus; 09-15-2015 at 02:23 PM.
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