DGI,

Thanks for taking the time to post. Sorry about your mushy brains.

The only, very minor, defense I have here is that I wasn't going after him because I viewed him as a Nit. I was after him only because of his stack. If he was a nit sitting there with 100bb, I would have been more then happy to ignore him the entire time he was at the table. And I would have folded to any show of life he gave.

So I admit. He had no business in the world, sitting there with 200bb, taunting me like that. Him and big stack of chips. With that ridiculous looking black chip ($100) sitting on top of his stack like the Venus de Milo waving back at me.

Calls all in with straight/backdoor flush draw? Wtf....nice hand AK

Not sure on why we are hell bent on "getting the Nit to put some money into the pot". We're at a bad table, we've identified that, and we've got the table change button; all good. It seems we have some personal vendetta / ego issue against nits or tight players, or am I reading this wrong?

I don't like the idea of creating a bloated multiway pot at all with a mediocre hand. Let's either raise big to get this HU in position / cbet, or simply overlimp for cheap and keep our implied odds sky high. At a tight table, I'm probably more for the former. I think we chose the worst route.

Here's how often a nit is going to fold after betting $100 (1/4 of his stack) into the world in a $42 pot on a drawy board: Exactly never. Like, exactly 0% of the time he is going to end up folding his hand. Raising will get him to ship, congrats on getting our 200bb+ stacks in on the flop as a massive underdog.

The flop is a simple fold. We're not getting good enough odds to chase our OESD, plus a couple of those outs (the flush ones) might not get paid off if we hit.

Of course, after writing all this I've now read the spoiler. Whatever. Still a horrendous spew by us. One of the most important points in poker is to check our ego at the door, and nothing in this hand suggests we are doing that.

ETA: Dgi also nailed the anit-nit sentiment which was rather evident. FWIW, nit poker is probably not too far off the most profitable way to play LLSNL.

GcluelessNLnoobG

OMG GG and I actually completely agree about a preflop situation! Stop the presses

tbh guys I suffer from a little anti-nit tilt myself. A small amount of it can be helpful because it encourages you to keep hammering their blinds/buttons pre and raking in the easy money, but you obviously gotta slow down when they show resistance.

I think we all do because it is a culmination of built up frustration because nits are NOTORIOUSLY hard to extract chips from. Sure, you can dink them for 3bb here, 6bb there, but they just are never stacking off serious money without a big hand. And this kinda tilts us because most of the players at LLSNL will stack off with mediocre hands.

Truth be told, I've learned to basically just ignore nits. They are more or less non-factors at the table. You raise, they will fold near 100% of the time unless they have a top 4% hand and thus if they call your raise, you know EXACTLY where you stand.

And most of the time, nits don't give you correct odds to draw so then again, they are easy to play against, you simply fold.

Nits are virtually unexploitable at 100bb or less, however, once they get 200bb or deeper, you can utterly destroy them using implied odds. That is the Nit's Achilles heel. Once they start to get really really deep, their unbalanced nature and super easy to define range enables any decent thinking player to own said Nit. But even then its still hard "stacking" them because they just don't stack off weak. You can however usually extract nice big chunks of 25bb - 75bb profit from them when deep.

I know you are "kinda" kidding here, but I had to point out that this is my biggest leak without a doubt... EGO.

Ego is insidious in its ability to make us spazz out due to entitlement tilt or even flat out jealousy.

It took a tremendous amount of soul searching for me to identify how my ego was screwing up my game and I am CONSTANTLY on guard against it. I have prerecorded messages I listen to whenever I feel my ego starting to worm its way into my consciousness. I also carry a personalized abbreviated message I put on my card protector that says BEGO (beware of ego)

Don't let ego get the best of you, just play +EV poker and everything else will take care of itself

^^^ This... Of course.

What do you say when someone asks what BEGO stands for?

this

when you're a nit, regs don't try to bluff you once you've shown strength

and, they give your bluffs enormous respect

you are actually in a very strong position when your opponents see you as a nit

lol... wat?

did i say something you don't understand?

I also have other messages to myself along with a simple cartoon graphic which means various things to me but nonsense to anyone else.

So when anyone asks what it all means, I just say its a personal message that means "don't play ******ed"

you want your opponent to think you "try" to not play ******ed?

Serious case of ego in here with similarly atrocious reads, and then just terrible play even presuming reads are correct.

Nits don't stack off with AK high for 200bb.
You don't stack off a straight draw to a nit for 200bb..

How are you any better than a fish if you're willing to put your whole stack in on a draw? Fold to the initial flop bet.

Not quite what I was getting at, although I could perhaps see these points as being true.

I'm simply saying that at this level playing nit poker (play extremely tight to raises, do our best to play in position, don't put a penny into a multiway pot postflop unless our hand is fairly strong, never bluff, etc.) is probably pretty close to optimal (or, at the very least, a lot more optimal than most people would have you believe).

My guess is that very few nits are losing players, and most probably win a lot more than we think, so long as they are playing at the same fish invested tables as we are.

G95%nitG

I agree.

I think that you can achieve a low variance 5bb/hr winrate just being a pure super nit. I'm talking like the nittiest of the McNitty Nit-Nits. I'm amazed at how there will be a super nit on the table who hasn't raised in two hours, the nit raises and 3 people sprint into the pot calling them. Board is Jack high, nit bets all 3 streets, gets called, shows KK and the players muck saying, "nice hand, thought you had AK" and they pay that nitty McNitty off every single time...

+1 This, I've definitely done it. I've found myself playing at $1/2 games and when no one seems to be playing any hands I somehow get this anxious feeling and something glitches inside me that says it is now my responsibility to play loose because the table is playing tight, forgetting the fact that I know nothing about LAG play. I guess the best thing to do is to just find a new game (or a new casino if possible). If that isn't an option come back during a peak hour.

If he is a nit fold after he bets $100 into $43(lol obv). as played, what's the plan behind the m/r to $200? You are obv. Committed now. If u r planning on raising, I think it's best to just go ahead and shove otf here d/t villains horrendous bet-sizing and so many cards ott will make him shut down or either shove all non-scare cards. He sounds like a moron not a nit. I think your sizing pre can be a tad higher also.