[QUOTE=frizzled;25496460]I've been reading the medium stakes forum a lot lately and there are a lot of winning 5/10 regs that would just limp both of these hands in that position. In fact I'd say that's the standard play in any live game.




Im confused. Where is there a midstakes forum for live play here?

And i would have to add that limping either of these hands would have to be with the caveat that...

A- The table is full of passive stationy fish and/or

B- We plan to play creatively postflop if there are stronger players near button. And this is a must or we just get flat out owned postflop.

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Originally Posted by frizzled

I've been reading the medium stakes forum a lot lately and there are a lot of winning 5/10 regs

Plus #ONEMILLION

The medium-high stakes FR forum is for both online and live play. Its 90% live 5/10 questions though.

I think the argument was that JTs and low pps are going to be profitable in single raised multiway pots when your deepstacked no matter what, and by opening in EP you risk getting 3bet off the hand against really aggro regs in position.

Pre is fine. Builds a pot for when you actually hit your set + you have position on the limpers + adds balance.

Flop is fine. Turn I think your levelling yourself too much into reraising him which is massive spew against good players. You rep nothing and ppl should be calling you down really light here. Just check and hope to hit your gutter

IF i had to raise in EP, I would rather have two random cards out of the deck,
than 44.
the JTs is a no-brainer, if stacks sizes require any post flop play.
I would rather have 34, or 45 than 44.
when I'm in the first 2 seats in an aggresive game, esp UTG, and my first card is a 2-4, I often don't even look at the second card.
the only card that can help my hand is the suited Ace, and even that i'm not opening vs. stations, or good players, either one.
I'm a nit, though.

by 'tough' i meant players that can, and do adjust to your play, not nessisarily unbeatable, or better players. you're just trying to get them to mis-adjust, and at least you have a shot.
I don't think it's about a value statement about skill levels;
it's just that different players can, and do do different things,
and when you know who is who, you can pick the right gameplan for each Villian, and for the table dynamic in general.

Reading threw this thread it seems that everyone agrees that op reps nothing after checking the flop.

I wonder about this. Personally I open alot from late position. After awhile, some players start to adjust. This usually means calling lighter and looking to take pots away from me post flop or the much less frequent 3bet pre.

Anyway point is I find it to be mandatory to be checking back flops in position. Weather I have air or crush the flop, I'm still checking back a percentage of flops.
There has to be some balance if your active pre.

So in a hand like this thats 4 handed and comes off A high, and its 3 checks to me, I deffinetly might check this back a decent percentage of the time w/ an ace.( Kinda like how villian played the hand except in position. ) let someone stab away.

Obviously it depends on how coordinated it is, players, etc. but I guess to me, based on my own play, a flop check in position dosn't necessarily mean player has nothing.

I'm not arguing the line op took here. I guess it just suprises me that one check instantly means air to everyone in the thread.
If that were the case everyone would always be checking the flop then betting the turn and river and getting paid off?

IDK maybe I'm wrong about this?

spew. what are u repping on the turn. set or wheel is kinda tough for u to have and its 99% of what ur trying to rep unless ur the kinda player that would check a set on the flop and if ur a taggish NL player... u prob wouldn't.

stop iso raising with small pairs.