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Spew at 1-2 or reasonable play? Spew at 1-2 or reasonable play?

08-05-2023 , 02:28 PM
This hand took place in one of the smaller Florida rooms. 1-2 max 200 with utg and button straddles allowed. No straddle on this hand. CO is 70% vpip (recently got into a medium sized pot with k2o cold calling my 3 bet with jacks... and flopped trip 2s vs overpair lol.) but aware of wheres he's at in the hand. SB is main villain and is obvious gambler type that admitted a few minutes earlier when other players were discussing odds (some guy didn't understand the bomb pot) that he'd call 10% with jack high against anyone... He also double barreled a few hands earlier with absolute air (K8s on A34 rainbow) in a 3 way pot that he cold called in small blind. I had been playing reasonable, only showed down A6o in a limp pot and I flashed KK when I got a super standard call and fold to c bet. Showed TT when folded to after 3 betting in SB and mucked aces in the only sizable pot I got into after overbetting pot against a reg that had been talking about his ranges a few hands earlier.. lol.

Effective stack $135
Folds to CO
CO limps
Hero on Button with AdJd raises to $15 (standard raise $8-12)
SB calls $15
CO calls $15

Flop 8s5s2d

SB checks
CO checks
Hero checks through

Turn 3d

SB bets $15
CO calls $15
Hero raises to $75
SB jams for $105
CO tank folds
Hero calls $30

SB shows 8c8h
Hero shows before river with no action remaining

River 2h

SB makes 8s8c8h2h2d for a full house and wins pot of ~$292

I chose to make this raise because of my assumptions that 1) Cutoff would not fold to anything smaller, and would only call with a made hand that could be beaten 2) SB would call or jam with oesd + flush draw + top pair or better, and fold complete air. But he could absolutely come along with nothing but a dominated flush draw. 3)both players had shown ability to make reasonable folds to large amounts of pressure.

Ran into trips this time, which is meh, but I think I could have easily been drawing to flush and two overcard outs or even A high being good dodging a lucky river. A 4 would have also given me a straight that wouldn't have been good some portion of the time against this villain (or the CO, so the wheel draw was not something I considered a significant portion of the equity in this hand). I would probably make a similar play on this same board in the same configuration heads up against basically all small blinds unless they were mega nits, where I think instead I would call and evaluate river. Against recs who aren't really worried about my holding I have equity, and against stronger players (at least 3 ways, would probable have c bet heads up) I can represent overpairs and basically all sets since I was on button.

Or am i just leveling myself and should have folded/flatted? There is unfortunately not a reasonable buy in mid stakes game (only match the stack available at 2-5) so theres a huge mix in these games, everything from legit for profit grinders to $50 stacks that Jam bottom pair on the flop and everything in between.

This is my first time posting a HH anywhere, so thanks!

Last edited by jdjd98; 08-05-2023 at 02:31 PM. Reason: made a mistake on pot size
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08-05-2023 , 02:39 PM
Welcome to this forum - normally you don't put the results up and ask questions so that everyone can play along with you.

As played, you are 70BB effective so your raise size is fine PF, on the flop - would you consider CB about 50-60% of the time since this flop is semi-wet but I don't blame you for checking.

As for the turn, you are basically committing yourself with the raise which I can get behind after a bet and call and sigh call the jam so I wouldn't have raised the turn with such low stacks. You turn BD equity and if you hit, you can still get paid off most of the time.
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08-05-2023 , 03:14 PM
Oh okay, thank you and I will do that next time! I totally agree in standard configuration like vegas 1-3 or online I'm c betting this flop most of the time. My concern was that cutoff was playing basically atc and 852 pretty much smashes his range. SB would call any flop bet with basically anything as well, so in this situation I was 100% sure a cbet is never taking the flop down.

One consideration that I did not mention is that I was 150bb deep with CO who had me covered, and couldn't lose a showdown chasing every gutter and 4 card flush so I needed him out of the pot. I wasn't afraid of monster hands since they were both playing extremely wide. If for some reason CO had raised turn I would have folded, but a flat call meant I knew he believed he had some amount of equity.

Can I justify simplifying my play against these villains to bet with value, call draws, and evaluate rivers... and just literally never bluff? CO was actually vpip 70% and was prob going to showdown with 80% of flops. Obviously I want to play with players like this, but I honestly felt like he was playing a more winning strategy than me and the other two (trying to be) for profit players at the table were considering the action of the other loose players, because he was consistently and intentionally able to win large amounts of chips against weak players with weak preflop holdings. I know there are winning players in this room at 1-2 that vpip over 50%, maybe even 60.
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08-05-2023 , 04:26 PM
If you're going to be opening or calling $15 preflop with $200 or less stacks......you're going to need to implement a very disciplined short stack strategy. Otherwise, you're better off to save up to build your bankroll for that match stack 2/5 game.

You're damn near putting 10% of your stack in just to see a flop.



The only way anyone is winning in this game with a high vpip is with a limping strategy. And it's going to be more of a very nitty post flop strategy.
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08-05-2023 , 05:45 PM
only villain had 70 bb. I had 150bb and cutoff had me covered. That match the stack pretty much starts at 5k everyday lol, so I think 40k would be a minimum roll.
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08-06-2023 , 12:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdjd98
only villain had 70 bb. I had 150bb and cutoff had me covered. That match the stack pretty much starts at 5k everyday lol, so I think 40k would be a minimum roll.
So, buy into the 2/5 game for $1500. That's still 250bb.


Otherwise, I'd treat your current game as a 2/5 game with 50bb stacks. And likely utilize a lot of limping. You're just not going to be able to beat that game opening for $15 and having stacks at 150bb or less.
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08-06-2023 , 01:04 AM
Versus a weak lead and weak call and some robust equity I like your turn raise.
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