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12-02-2021 , 01:45 PM
Playing 2/5 and 1500 effective and got hit with speech play which I'm pretty sure villain correctly interpreted - posting to see just how obvious the tell is with a view to using villains line myself.

10 10 k 6 5

Pot was bloated and I had bet turn pretty big.

Villain is a clearly very experienced and very good player, best I played with on the trip.

He checks the river and I bet big again, he quickly asks 'do you ever bluff?
I blurted 'yeah of course I sometimes bluff'

Was I bluffing?
12-02-2021 , 01:46 PM
yeah
12-02-2021 , 02:52 PM
Sounds like you want to make it seem like you're comfortable by saying you could be bluffing implying you have a strong hand which means you likely don't.

Also the fact that you bet turn really big which doesn't seem like it should be a thing unless you're clicking buttons.
12-02-2021 , 04:53 PM
You were not bluffing. If you were bluffing you would have felt uncomfortable by his question and you would have at least paused before answering rather than suddenly blurting out a response, or you would have not answer his question at all (which is the balanced reaction to speech play).
12-02-2021 , 05:04 PM
Actually I like your answer better. Also I think the default is to just stay silent when you're bluffing.

I only like my answer if he is intentionally responding as opposed to a knee jerk response.

But yeah betting big on the turn still seems weird.
12-02-2021 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic Speech play quiz
Sounds like you want to make it seem like you're comfortable by saying you could be bluffing implying you have a strong hand which means you likely don't.

Also the fact that you bet turn really big which doesn't seem like it should be a thing unless you're clicking buttons.
Yeah to clarify it wasn't a consciously considered response, just an immediate reaction
12-02-2021 , 05:33 PM
Ok in that case I agree w/ Chaos as it's typically difficult and not really natural to want to blurt out anything when you are bluffing.
12-02-2021 , 05:35 PM
I think u have value
12-02-2021 , 09:16 PM
Did you blink before, after, or during the question? How many breaths did you take in the 30 second period surrounding the question being asked? What was your heart rate? Was the villain seated close enough that he could potentially get some smell tells?

And most importantly, why the hell did you answer a question from the best player that you played with on the entire trip after making a big bet on the river in a huge pot?
12-02-2021 , 09:36 PM
Blurt = You have it.
12-02-2021 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher Speech play quiz
Did you blink before, after, or during the question? How many breaths did you take in the 30 second period surrounding the question being asked? What was your heart rate? Was the villain seated close enough that he could potentially get some smell tells?
We call it Voight kampff for short

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And most importantly, why the hell did you answer a question from the best player that you played with on the entire trip after making a big bet on the river in a huge pot?
I was more chapped at myself for opening my mouth there than for any of the many technical errors I make
12-02-2021 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebus Speech play quiz
We call it Voight kampff for short



I was more chapped at myself for opening my mouth there than for any of the many technical errors I make
Not even close to baseline.... At least he wasn't asking you about why you weren't helping the tortoise.

Were you betting heavy PF and flop too?

I've no idea how well you act, but I agree with hyperknit, Hitchens, and CIE that, if you were bluffing, you'd have thought about the answer. Either through confusion/surprise at being discovered, or simply trying to think of a story. The sudden blurt---as you describe it---means you aren't thinking of telling a credible bluff, and you therefore have some value. Maybe a T, maybe more.
12-03-2021 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rebus Speech play quiz
Playing 2/5 and 1500 effective and got hit with speech play which I'm pretty sure villain correctly interpreted - posting to see just how obvious the tell is with a view to using villains line myself.

10 10 k 6 5

Pot was bloated and I had bet turn pretty big.

Villain is a clearly very experienced and very good player, best I played with on the trip.

He checks the river and I bet big again, he quickly asks 'do you ever bluff?
I blurted 'yeah of course I sometimes bluff'

Was I bluffing?
No and keep your mouth shut.
12-03-2021 , 10:39 AM
I would think it shows strength when you blurted that out. First because bluffers tend to be quiet as others have said, but also because bluffers tend to be less likely to say anything that might annoy a player (and as a result possibly make an opponent more curious).

Did villain watch you play before and watch you consistently bet for value and show down good hands? I donít know if he did, but if that happened, I could see you getting annoyed and thinking you werenít going to get paid off, so you blurted out that you do sometimes bluff. But even if this never happened I think you speaking out still shows strength.
12-03-2021 , 03:13 PM
My standard action after betting is to go dead and pick a spot on the table in front of me to stare at, whether I'm value betting or bluffing.

That said, an immediate verbal response from anyone that isn't a chatter box tool like Jamie Gold, usually indicates comfort with their bet. If you are actually playing against Jamie Gold, buy yourself some ear buds, shut up, and let him spew money.

I would generally never make this choice purely on a verbal response, but from what little you gave us, you sound like you're not bluffing.
12-03-2021 , 05:56 PM
OP, the problem youíre going to run into in attempting to use Vs line on others is that you really would want to have a typical baseline idea of how any potential V is going to react. Just because the population read is that quick response = not bluffing doesnít mean it applies to every V regardless of what you had in this situation.

Having all the action actually matters also.

Depending on the pre/flop action, if you have it, I would guess you had KK, KT, T6 or 66 if you arenít bluffing. If you were bluffing, flopped/turned combo draws
12-03-2021 , 07:38 PM
RESULTS

Villain kinda shrug folded. I had 66 for the boat and I'm pretty damn sure it was the speech which made him fold - total fish speech fml

Lesson (re)learned. Well played villain IMO
12-03-2021 , 11:32 PM
That was good to say if you were bluffing but it's not something you should say when you want him to call, next time don't do or say anything. Who knows maybe he was folding either way.
12-04-2021 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rebus Speech play quiz
RESULTS

Villain kinda shrug folded. I had 66 for the boat and I'm pretty damn sure it was the speech which made him fold - total fish speech fml

Lesson (re)learned. Well played villain IMO


Yessss knew it

If ur interested in getting into speech play u should check Verbal poker tells by Zachary Elwood
12-05-2021 , 09:29 PM
Next time respond by shaking your head side to side , sigh and say” I guess I’m going home early. “
12-05-2021 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce Speech play quiz
Next time respond by shaking your head side to side , sigh and sayĒ I guess Iím going home early. ď
Not sure if serious, but this would be much much worse. Might work as a hail mary attempt if you're bluffing though.
12-05-2021 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic Speech play quiz
Not sure if serious, but this would be much much worse. Might work as a hail mary attempt if you're bluffing though.
You have to consider not just what youíre thinking but what your opponent is thinking as well. OP said he was the toughest player at the table so when he hears I guess Iím going home now he will think about it critically and realize the reason you think youíre going home now is because youíre bluffing and when he calls you youíll lose all your money and rather than rebuy youíll leave the poker room in disgust. But youíre not bluffing, you have a full house.I think if you said that youíd level him into a call.
12-06-2021 , 12:00 AM
Answer him "Of course not, bluffing is for liars and mama raised an honest boy." Then mutter under your breath "Haha you fool! little do you know I have you right where I want you." While poorly trying to conceal a smile.
12-06-2021 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 411Heelhook Speech play quiz
Answer him "Of course not, bluffing is for liars and mama raised an honest boy." Then mutter under your breath "Haha you fool! little do you know I have you right where I want you." While poorly trying to conceal a smile.
Oooooo

How devilishly deceptive. Iím glad you donít play in my game.

      
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