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10-08-2023 , 05:32 AM
1/3 NLHE, 9 handed.

Hero - 550$ CO. Was up to 700 off 400$ BI but got fancy with A6s from SB when BTN straddled 6, Hero opened 20 in SB first to act and V1 called from CO, BTN shoved on his straddle for about 65$ total (Hero didn't see he was short stacked) Hero gets FPS and tries to get it HU by popping it to 120$, V1 in CO back raise jams for 450$, Hero folds. V1 has T2o, BTN has 34s and V1 wins when he hits a 2 but A6s would have won with a 6 in the window.

V1 - 350$ UTG+2. Maniac whale. VPIPing 100%. Can't release top-pair or better. Hero had never seen him before and got dealt TsTc his first hand at the table in BB, popped V1's cold BTN open from BB, HU to a flop of K-Q-6r, Hero c-bet 2/3rds trying to rep AK or better (solver says pure check OOP but oh well), V calls, Hero is done with the hand, Turn is a T two diamonds, Hero AI for 2/3rds pot, V tank folds A6s, river is an A and he thinks he was good if he called.

V2 - 150$ UTG+1. Old asian woman that buys-in for 100-200 and always seems to have about this about in front of her. VPIPs 10-15% limping everything that isn't AA or KK, then just rips when she connects. Will also rip with huge draws. Like will limp KQhh and then open ram on Ah-Jh-7c type board, folds all else.

V3 - 400$ HJ. Other old asian woman that I've seen before but don't have much time with. Loose passive losing player. Plays similar to V2. Doesn't put 'real' money in without a big hand. She just sat down.

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V2 limps, V1 limps, V3 limps, Hero sees 8 8 and limps 3$, BTN nit asian man limps, SB new asian kid learning to play limps, BB asian kid friend of SB checks his option. 7 ways, 2nd last to act.

Flop 20 - A 9 3

Checks through.

Turn 20 - 8

Checks to V3 in HJ who bets 25, Hero raises to 75 next to act, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, .......

What happens next happens in a flurry of commotion...I'll break it down as it happened (would like opinions here)

-V2 is stroking her stack and counting it like she's about to put it all in holding it all in one hand, then says "raise one-thirty-six" (this turns out to be the total amount she has 25+136)
-At this exact same moment, basically as she is speaking V3 shoves her stack out of turn and proudly says "all-in"
-V2 folds saying she's not committed and shows one card to V1 who she thinks is not in the hand but is.
-House comes over and says V2 is not committed as they decide player V3 acted out of turn first and so V2 has the right to make use of the new information, they decide the card she showed V1 should be shown to everyone
-They then flip over the wrong card which is the A
-House walks away thinking its the right card
-V1 who now knows both V2s cards but wont say anything tank folds (when I say tank folds I mean he takes 3-4 minutes) - he would never release even an A here normally but he knew what V2 folded so maybe that influenced him.
-It's now HU between Hero and V3 and V3's stack count is 378$ to call.

The pot is 20+25+75+378=498 and its 303 to call. You are getting 1.644:1.

Hero?

Last edited by Stupidbanana; 10-08-2023 at 05:37 AM.
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10-08-2023 , 07:38 AM
She has an equal amount of 99 and 33 and one combo of AA. So 1.33 to 1. And she checked the flop when checked to her which is somewhat OOL with how these opponents play flop when checked to with a big hand. Think she may even have one of the three combos of 98s or combo of A8. Id pay it off without thinking too much. Id muck 33 though.
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10-08-2023 , 10:02 AM
What a cluster!!!

As for the hand. I am raising to 25 pre. Turn raise perhaps a little more, like 85. Now it feels like shrug call.
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10-08-2023 , 02:39 PM
Say, "You think there have been some bad plays in this hand? Hold my beer" and fold face up
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10-08-2023 , 03:36 PM
This isn’t the hand you’re talking about, but:
Quote:
Was up to 700 off 400$ BI but got fancy with A6s from SB when BTN straddled 6, Hero opened 20 in SB first to act and V1 called from CO, BTN shoved on his straddle for about 65$ total (Hero didn't see he was short stacked) Hero gets FPS and tries to get it HU by popping it to 120$, V1 in CO back raise jams for 450$, Hero folds.
This is simply an absurd fold to a whale with a 100% VPIP. You have an Ace, once he jams you just have to call and pray, there’s simply no way his range is narrow enough for you to fold here. $330 to win $650, when you have a suited Ace and are up against a maniac??? This is a mandatory, slam-dunk, fist-pump call!
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10-08-2023 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
This isn’t the hand you’re talking about, but:

This is simply an absurd fold to a whale with a 100% VPIP. You have an Ace, once he jams you just have to call and pray, there’s simply no way his range is narrow enough for you to fold here. $330 to win $650, when you have a suited Ace and are up against a maniac??? This is a mandatory, slam-dunk, fist-pump call!
Who has an Ace?
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10-08-2023 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
This isn’t the hand you’re talking about, but:

This is simply an absurd fold to a whale with a 100% VPIP. You have an Ace, once he jams you just have to call and pray, there’s simply no way his range is narrow enough for you to fold here. $330 to win $650, when you have a suited Ace and are up against a maniac??? This is a mandatory, slam-dunk, fist-pump call!
This was about my 3rd hand at the table, I played the TT one with him and then this one right after. Had never seen him before in the room.
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10-08-2023 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
1/3 NLHE, 9 handed.

Hero - 550$ CO. Was up to 700 off 400$ BI but got fancy with A6s from SB when BTN straddled 6, Hero opened 20 in SB first to act and V1 called from CO, BTN shoved on his straddle for about 65$ total (Hero didn't see he was short stacked) Hero gets FPS and tries to get it HU by popping it to 120$, V1 in CO back raise jams for 450$, Hero folds. V1 has T2o, BTN has 34s and V1 wins when he hits a 2 but A6s would have won with a 6 in the window.

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-It's now HU between Hero and V3 and V3's stack count is 378$ to call.

The pot is 20+25+75+378=498 and its 303 to call. You are getting 1.644:1.

Hero?
I really like your account of the whole event.

It seems like all the Aces out. I'd call. Even without counting her overplaying 89(3), 99(3) : 33(3) is enough.
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10-08-2023 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
This was about my 3rd hand at the table, I played the TT one with him and then this one right after. Had never seen him before in the room.
Got it. I hate it when that happens! (Or the reverse—you stack off light against a new player only to discover during the session he’s the rockiest rock you’ve ever seen, lol.)
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10-08-2023 , 06:49 PM
i cant GII fast enough
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10-08-2023 , 07:12 PM
calllllllllll
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10-08-2023 , 07:24 PM
I think with pretty good position here I'm raising this pre. AP I think this would be a standard call. What are we really afraid of here?
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10-08-2023 , 08:54 PM
Snap snap snap.
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10-08-2023 , 09:35 PM
Ok just checking. I guess 33 might be a nit fold?

Result:
Spoiler:
Hero calls, river is a 3, V3 shows A9o, V1 and V2 both say they had A9 too.
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10-13-2023 , 12:43 AM
No, don't fold 33 either... but that is easy to say knowing the hand.
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10-13-2023 , 05:20 AM
Yeah I wouldn't fold 33 either. Definitely not against these villains with these stacksizes. I mean, it wouldn't be a superhappy call since I'd fear 88, but I wouldn’t fold. We have a set on a board where no flushes or straights are possible and we're "only" 133 bb deep, there would have to be some very specific unfavourable circumstances for me to think about folding.
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10-13-2023 , 01:11 PM
I mean, I do have a rule about not going broke in limped pots. But AA is a little unlikely (much more likely if limped in front of maniac, not overlimped after). 33 is certainly possible. She didn't start putting in money until the 8 hit, so A8/98 are possible, as is A9/A3. So if we lose to 99, nice hand.

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