SECOND HAND:

UTG limps for $5, VIllians limps behind from UTG+2 to $5, Hero raises from MP to $35 with JJ, everyone folds and villian re raises to $130. Hero thinks for a while and calls.

FLOP: 8h9hTc

Villian bets $100 into $260 pot and hero thinks and just calls.

Turn: Jd

Villian goes all-in for $350 into $460 pot... HERO.....????

How can he over limp preflop and show this much strength???


LAST HAND:
Vilian limps from MP, Hero limps behind from Cu with 98hh and both blinds come along.

FLOP: Tc 8d 2h

Villian bets out $10 into $20 pot and hero raises to $35, SB folds and BB calls and so does villian. (NOTE: BB calls super wide and is a very loose player)

TURN: Kc

Everyone chks.

River: 3d

Villians bets out $95 into $120 pot and hero thinks for a while and calls.

i beleived his donk bet value range to be lots of top pair hand and semi bluff range to be J9. I didnt expect a bet from Tx hand on river as he checked the turn for pot control and expect him to chk river for showdown.

All your problems stem from the fact that you can't see yourself playing the way villain does.

This villain isn't even slowplaying.

Not reraising on the flop in the first hand is criminal by the way

Richard parker is 100% correct, these guys are just playing slightly different than you, and for some reason that's completely wrecking your game

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hand 1 he didn't just over limp pre flop, he l/rr which is a sing of soooo much strength, especially against this opponent. we need eff stack sizes. a l/rr is almost always KKs+ at these stakes, so depending on if you are getting the odds set mine or not is the only issue pre.

hand 2 why are you raising again when this player is showing strength? you know he can limp premium hands and is probably planning to take them way too far post flop. just fold otf. your giving this guy wayyy too much action and aren't properly adjusting to him at all.

So basically you thought because if he has J9 (and really 97 too) you would win so you should call? When you lose to KT/T8/22/88/TT/AT/Floated Kx? I don't know why you would ever call.

On that first hand, limping from UTG+2 with a monster can become pretty standard at some tables. Player dependent, but I would probably let that one go pre unless I know he is limp/re-raising wide. On that turn you obviously need to call because obviously.

Hand 1: Raise smaller because you have position on both limpers. I fold to the limp-reraise from a tricky passive player because tricky passive players love to limp QQ+ to go for a limp-reraise.

Hand 2: Why are you raising the flop? Please tell me your reasoning. If I had raised the flop like you did, I would bomb the turn on the Ko turn as a bluff.

Hand 1: Fold pre

Hand 2: call flop, no reason to raise here. If it was checked to me OTT, I'd probably bet/fold to a C/R.

as played, i fold to the river bet

Hand 2: is all frustration of losing two big pots to the same opponent. Hand 2 is just a horrible example. sorry about hand 2 guys..

Sacobiiii,

What I'm about to say shouldn't be taken as an insult to you personally.

You are a fish.

You are the type of player that I look for. Easy money.

For example, your bet sizing is terrible.

In Hand 2, you raise to $35 into a pot of $30. Not only are you giving me 3.25:1 immediately, but I know you're going to give me your stack when I do hit, and worse then you give me a free look at the turn. If you're going to raise here (and I'm not saying if its a good idea either way), you have to make it bigger in live poker. I'm not folding basically anything if you're going to give me more then 3:1 immediate odds. I would have raised to $60, or perhaps even more.

But your bet sizing on the turn as played isn't likely your biggest problem. Tell me this, in hand 2, how much would you have raised if you had 88? The answer to this question is probably your biggest leak.

In hand 1, calling preflop is a massive waste of time and money considering how you played the flop. The flop is essentially a perfect flop for JJ. If you're not going to flop top set of Jacks, then flopping and overpair to the board and a straight draw is basically the world. And even still, its a tough situation because Villain is representing AA here (and essentially nothing else). It would have to be over 200BB deep here to ever think of not shoving the flop. And worse yet, calling the flop and hitting top set on the turn and Villain is giving you his stack and because you are a fish, you cannot see how much of a profitable situation this has become, even though you made a huge mistake preflop.

These hands, as others have said, have nothing to do with Villain's slowplaying against you. Rather, what I see is he (they) have figured out how to get you to make mistakes and then get your stack.

In your A9o hand. Top-pair-no-kicker (and yes, a 9 is essentially worthless here) is evidence that you're fundamentally not understanding how to play live poker.

You state that your image is "Tight-Aggressive". The three hands you've posted show that you are neither tight (A9o and 98s is not tight) nor aggressive (limping with trash, checking flops from late position with vulnerable holdings, bet sizing all wrong).

Let me suggest two things to work on:

1) Learn how much you have to raise to make sure that when your villain calls, he's not getting "good" immediate odds. As an experiment, the next time you think you should check/raise, make it an amount that gives the Villain ~2:1 on his call (E.g.: pot is $20, villain bets $10, hero raises to $60, new pot is $90 and villain has to call $50. Villain is getting 1.8:1, he needs to be beating you 35% of the time to call -- and trust me, he's calling with all sorts of crap!)

2) Start to reconsider every bet or call you make. For a while, stop betting unless you want to get stacks in (I'm assuming you're playing 100BB deep or less). E.g.: in the JJ hand, if you're 100BB deep, when you called the 3B preflop, you should have done so only if you were 100% committed to getting stacks in either immediately on the flop or by the turn regardless of cards. What I'm telling you is, don't just claim you're "Tight-Aggressive", actually be TAG. Be so f'n aggressive (and tight) that your villain will regret every chip he puts in the pot with you. Learn completely what it means to be aggressive -- forget about the $$$ for a bit and either actually try hard to win every pot you enter, or FOLD early.

Dude, the limp/re-raise is straight from the Fish's guide to Poker Master Playbook. It is their go-to play.

A limp/re-raise is almost always AA/KK 80% of the time and AKs/QQ like 20% of the time. Seriously, easiest fold preflop.

In fact, there is nothing I love more than to have JJ/QQ and raise $35 and then have some fish l/rr me $135. Super easy fold and they always flash me their KK/AA and give me that smirk that says, "Yeah, I'm da man" and they have no clue that they just cost themselves some fat value post flop...

as played, once you call preflop and see this flop, you need to be shoving 100bb or less.

What the hell are you doing??? You are seriously leveling yourself. Look, i'm all for being aggressive, but you've got to do a better job of picking your spots. If you are going to raise this flop then you have to bet the turn to take it down. You can't raise flop and then check turn and then call a value bet on the river thinking that its a bluff. Newsflash. Passive slowplayer villains don't bluff when they whiff, they just surrender and check/fold.

I sense you are a serious problem with aggression and shutting it off. I also think you don't do a good job of picking your spots and targeting your villains correctly. You said that BB calls super wide and is really loose. Well, these are the types of players you want to value town heads up when you have TPMK+ not when you have mid pair and there is someone else in the hand...


Overall, I think you may be a tad too aggressive, not picking your spots correctly, and not understanding your villains and adjusting to thier mistakes. It almost feels like you are just clicking buttons without understanding how your villains are going to react. Almost like you feel that you should win every hand you play... I dunno, its just a giant mess. I sense some "good poker" in there somewhere, you just got to figure out how to properly adjust to your villains...

That's why this belongs in BBV and the thread is being locked.