Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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BTN: $496.70
Hero (SB): $798
BB: $894.10
UTG: $235
UTG+1: $513
MP1: $891.20
MP2: $442.50
CO: $307.30

Pre-Flop: A 3 dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $8, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $8, MP2 folds, CO calls $8, BTN folds, Hero calls $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($40) Q 3 3 (5 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $28, Hero calls $28, 2 folds, MP1 calls $28

Turn: ($124) A (3 Players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO checks

River: ($124) 4 (3 Players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $120, CO folds, Hero raises to $382, MP1 raises to $855.20 and is All-In,



???? help on all streets wud be good here, i think maybe a call on river instead of raise is preferable but i felt like my hand was under repped and i didn't rate to have a full house here often.

If he's a total nit, he could have QQ, and this is reasonable I suppose. If he's a total donkey, he could have 44 or a flush, but this seems incredibly unlikely.

So I don't get it. Aren't you good here almost everytime? His hand range here I assume is QQ, 34, A3. Possibly just trips? Something different I am missing?

his stats are like 16/8 but i have *** all hands on him, my basic thinking is that he must have be full to shove on the river if he has Kx spades surely he just calls. so all possibe full houses are A3 Q3 34 44 QQ and AA i think we can discount 44 and Q3 pretty easily so were left with A3 34 QQ and AA, so am i calling for a chop at est most of the time?? AA is probably unlikely but possible and QQ is a real possibility i think

i think i raize river smaller, also if theres so much money in pot i dont fold cos ppl make erros vs us too. i think most of his range is QQ!/../34/...[aa]....[44] there. but ppl make stuid plays too so u cant discount some random **** too.

why u didnt bet river/turn ? that way u would havde more info in the hand

Your river CR tells him you have a FH not trips and his shove tells you he can beat that. He has 44 here nearly always and QQ maybe a small % of the time, NOTHING ELSE.
If you had lead the river his raising range would have been wider, like possibly a straight, flush or 34 but his shoving over a CR range well thats tiny.

I don't understand why you didn't bet the turn. You don't have to bet huge - maybe enough to price in the spade draw, but perhaps 44 would have folded to a second bet. Whether I call depends if villain is a nit reg (fold). I think it's a close call otherwise (since I can see a bad player sometimes shoving with the nut flush or a worse boat) getting almost 2 to 1, since 43 is a very possible hand. 43 is 3 combos, 44 3 combos and QQ 3 combos. Had you bet the turn, I would say 44 was not likely and that 43 is the most likely, making your read much easier. I'm not sure if QQ 3 bets preflop, so those odds may have to be discounted a little based on villain. I would think AA raise pf, but maybe he was trying to get a little tricky.

Also, before you raise the river, think about your plan if you get reraised. Also, the raise sizing seems a little large to get called by a flush (or whatever you were hoping to get called by).

ur min raise preflop kinda messed things up I find, the range of hands for vilain could be huge due to the small raise. As played, I dont think vilain can have 44 in this spot due to the flop bet. He prolly would've raised with 34s on the turn or flop.

With all the options gone, just leaves us with QQ or A3s, u chop one and lose the other. I'd prolly fold here. If vilain is donkey enough to shove with only trips or flush then good for him.

For him to have a hand that beats us, he has to have played the hand very strangely.

QQ or AA not reraising the initial minraise? 16/8 is pretty close to what I play, and I can't imagine ever flat calling here PF with AA or QQ. Spades and 44 don't continue past the flop, certainly not from a 16/8.

And a 16/8 isn't ever calling a raise preflop from MP1 with Q3.

AA, QQ, 34, A3.....with the 2 that you beat/chop making more sense given the action, and with the pot odds, it's a call I think.

Since you made this post, I'm guessing he turns over QQ though.

yep of course he fipped QQ and i stared at the screen going did i get owned or did he just get super lucky and the ****** preflop play worked out for him.
i don't think i ever play QQ like that, i think he loses a lot of value from his hand the way he chose to play it here

i dont hate his play except turn, which i would bet. 200 bb deep qq is just a pair for me which needz help on flop.

Pls ignore my earlier post, I thought the flop was checked around

Didn't he just stack a ******?

I think MP1 played it fine. To tell you the truth, I'd make your river raise smaller and fold to the 3-bet -- it's pretty much always a boat and 43 is the only one you beat (which is pretty unlikely to see since he's in MP1). IMO, I think when he shoves you see QQ most of the time, AA rarely, 43 even more rarely, and Q3/44 practically never.

Uh, bet the turn?