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SICK Set of KK vs set of AA on flop??? SICK Set of KK vs set of AA on flop???

11-10-2011 , 02:51 PM
Tough fold. Just curious, though, why did you fold face up?
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11-10-2011 , 02:51 PM
Set mining Kings, never thought I'd see the day. I suppose a dead read is a dead read though.
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11-10-2011 , 02:58 PM
so u set mine with KK and hit it and u want to fold? i mean theres equal combos of both AA/AK but just fold pre next time then if ur gonna fold. im never set mining with KK then hitting and folding, or setmining with a PP 200bb+ and just folding like that. i mean hes a nit but ppl do stupid things from time to time u have to add that factor in
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11-10-2011 , 03:18 PM
Fold there. Every time. Not even close.

"Nitty 70 year old man who flats with JJ & QQ pre flop every time. Never 3 bets without KK or AA (and maybe only AA)... "

Fold every time. Not even close.
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11-10-2011 , 03:21 PM
I wonder what fold is sicker OP, the hand with 44 vs 1010 or this one
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11-10-2011 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by donkey xote
Tough fold. Just curious, though, why did you fold face up?
The only reason I folded face up is because I wanted to see his hand, and I thought if I showed mine he would be more likely to show his. If I didn't see his AA I might have went on tilt, thinking about that hand for the rest of the night and questioning whether or no I made a good fold. Seeing those AA gave me sooooooo much confidence.

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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
This is why I get so annoyed sometimes by people at the poker table. ^^ The BBJ is so unlikely, its not going to happen!
Well IMO the BBJ is just a big illusion. People see this big life changing sum on the screen $200,000!!! They don't realize that you don't get even a 1/4 of that. Like i stated earlier even if I were to lose with quad kings, I would get the biggest share 40%, which is only ~$50k after taxes. So the winner would only get ~$25k and table share would only be like ~$6k. Thats not much money at all... considering your odds of hitting are several million to 1.

Its just an illusion.
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11-10-2011 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mp2012
The only reason I folded face up is because I wanted to see his hand, and I thought if I showed mine he would be more likely to show his. If I didn't see his AA I might have went on tilt, thinking about that hand for the rest of the night and questioning whether or no I made a good fold. Seeing those AA gave me sooooooo much confidence.



Well IMO the BBJ is just a big illusion. People see this big life changing sum on the screen $200,000!!! They don't realize that you don't get even a 1/4 of that. Like i stated earlier even if I were to lose with quad kings, I would get the biggest share 40%, which is only ~$50k after taxes. So the winner would only get ~$25k and table share would only be like ~$6k. Thats not much money at all... considering your odds of hitting are several million to 1.

Its just an illusion.
I commend you for making an incredible fold. really. To stick with your read and not getting involved totally with the absolute strength of your hand is unbelievable. Though it looks like a pretty clear fold, its really hard to be able to do it in game. NH
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11-10-2011 , 04:13 PM
Just don't get used to being scared of sets and lose value because of it.
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11-10-2011 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mp2012
The only reason I folded face up is because I wanted to see his hand, and I thought if I showed mine he would be more likely to show his. If I didn't see his AA I might have went on tilt, thinking about that hand for the rest of the night and questioning whether or no I made a good fold. Seeing those AA gave me sooooooo much confidence.



Well IMO the BBJ is just a big illusion. People see this big life changing sum on the screen $200,000!!! They don't realize that you don't get even a 1/4 of that. Like i stated earlier even if I were to lose with quad kings, I would get the biggest share 40%, which is only ~$50k after taxes. So the winner would only get ~$25k and table share would only be like ~$6k. Thats not much money at all... considering your odds of hitting are several million to 1.

Its just an illusion.
Also after showing a hand like that, you better start calling everyone's raises against you down light as you're a target now.
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11-10-2011 , 04:16 PM
I want to hate on this soososososo much but I can't. TOM gonna TOM.

I'd never show me folding though.
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11-10-2011 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by useless
Also after showing a hand like that, you better start calling everyone's raises against you down light as you're a target now.
This (from some of the aggressive players w/ >100bbs) since if the rest of the table hasn't adjusted to him already, they aren't suddenly going to adjust to him and try to make him fold sets...

One thing that has been working for me lately is just quietly asking the opponent in a genuine tone a few hands later, more often than not, they'll tell you esp if you tell them your hand.

But it seems like it was "peace of mind" +EV so no problem there.
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11-10-2011 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
I commend you for making an incredible fold. really. To stick with your read and not getting involved totally with the absolute strength of your hand is unbelievable. Though it looks like a pretty clear fold, its really hard to be able to do it in game. NH
It was a great fold.

There's a guy who was playing 300NL at Hustler against me while he was waiting waiting to play in the no cap game. I'd seen this guy before, and he's a good LAG who reads boards and players well.

At any rate, we'd both been winning and we were deep-- our effective stack was probably $800 or so when this hand came up. I had pocket aces UTG +1 and raised to 15, he raised to 40, I re-raised to 100 and he flatted. I basically knew he either had a big pocket pair or AK. The flop came A73 rainbow. I check, he checks, and now I know he doesn't have AK. Turn was a brick, check-check. River was a king.

I bet 180 on the river. He goes into the tank. "I thought you might have QQ before, now I think you have aces." He thinks for a long, long, long time. He eventually shows me his kings. He continues to tank. Tank. Tank. About 7 minutes in, he calls.

The thing is, he knew it. And he's a good player. But he called anyway. You didn't. Nice job.
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11-10-2011 , 04:37 PM
yeah, that's such a different hand
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11-10-2011 , 04:48 PM
Flopping the second nuts and putting your opponent on the nuts is not incredible, but actually following through on your read and folding *is* incredible. You are probably in the 1% of players that would fold this.

Although his betsizing didn't exactly make it any harder.
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11-10-2011 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
Flopping the second nuts and putting your opponent on the nuts is not incredible, but actually following through on your read and folding *is* incredible. You are probably in the 1% of players that would fold this.

Although his betsizing didn't exactly make it any harder.
+1 if villain bets $50 on the flop it'd put hero to the test big time.
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11-10-2011 , 09:09 PM
Gah that is a sick dang fold. I would never make that fold. I am the 99% of players who say "Well I know you have aces, but I'll pay you off" and I call and flip KK and throw another 200 on the table. I don't ever see myself folding the second nuts ever. Gah, well played and nice hand
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11-10-2011 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by donkey xote
This (from some of the aggressive players w/ >100bbs) since if the rest of the table hasn't adjusted to him already, they aren't suddenly going to adjust to him and try to make him fold sets...

One thing that has been working for me lately is just quietly asking the opponent in a genuine tone a few hands later, more often than not, they'll tell you esp if you tell them your hand.

But it seems like it was "peace of mind" +EV so no problem there.
No, but they might/will make him try to fold his medium value hands(including TPTK and under).
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11-10-2011 , 09:15 PM
I would make this fold and not let anyone know I made it. God your image would be so confusing to people...you dont want anyone thinking you can fold the second nuts at LLSNL , jesus don't show or dont tell anyone. Just say "Dang , I just dont want to make that call on just a draw...its such a good draw though...grrrrrrr, i fold",
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11-10-2011 , 09:20 PM
This thread is kind of pointless because it's so totally villain-dependent. OP, against an unknown it is obviously never, ever correct to fold here. But you were there, and if your reads tell you that he has AA "99%" of the time, then it's an easy call PF and an easy fold on the flop. Well played and great lay down, but next time post in BBV.
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11-10-2011 , 11:08 PM
Lol. Limp/3 bet costs another nit. Nice Hand. Don't think I'd show though.
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