Sorry i meant tpgk

V1 35 white male that is capable of bluffing. A bit loose preflop, opens a Somehwat wide range and is capable of occassional big bluffs. $400
V2 35 black male mostly playing loose passive. $700
Hero 25 asian male playing tag. $1200

Utg and utg+1 limp
V1 raises HJ to $20
V2 calls In CO
Hero calls button with KQhh
Blinds fold and utg/utg+1 both call.

Flop $100
Kc 9c 9s
Utg check
Utg1 check
V1 bets $60
V2 calls
Hero calls
Utg fold
Utg1 fold

Turn $280
Kc 9c 9s 7s
V1 bets $115
V2 calls
Hero shoves all in?

My reasoning for doing this is because against v1 ive already decided that i am calling down the river unless the board texture changes drastically. V1s range is KT, KJ, KQ, KJ, AK, AA, and the unlikely 9. Against this range im doing reasonably well, considering pot size and he only has $200 behind. I know that v2s range is capped, its unlikely he has a 9 because any 9 would likely raise by the turn. This puts his range mostly on fds and maybe a weak K. Since he is deeper and I want to charge him the maximum for the fd, plus ive already decided im getting it in against v1, is a shove the optimal line here?

A shove also has the benefit of representing a 9, and occasionally v1 may fold the top of his range that beats me (aa ak) as well as folding out chops with kq.

Its a spot where i am usually very polarized but add some balance to my range with this merge
Thoughts?

what level game is this? $2/5? I rarely play $2/5 so if this is the case then disregard what I'm saying. but I want you to get some feedback.

basically your jam means you want/hope to take the pot down here, right? I doubt flush draws are calling you (V1 would have to bet $205ish to call, doubt he's doing that on a fd especially with a paired board) and probably the only worse hand calling MAY be KJ. obv any 9 or otherwise better hand is calling you (AA, AK, KK) so you are in a position of only better is calling, worse is folding.

What I would do...I have to admit this deep I'd have to really have a good feel/read for my opponents to answer this (and to jam here). hopefully others have some thoughts.

Id be happy to take it down here obv. Feeling good if v1 folds and v2 calls
Feeling neutral if v1 calls.

Good aggressive play but there is a bit of truth to the "only thing that calls is beating you" comment. But I think it is a profitable play as you force some better hands (AK/AA) to forfeit as well as the flush draws to surrender their equity here, and great point about forcing the KQ-chop to fold as well.

I also agree that V2 is extremely unlikely to have a 9, except in one case, K9. If he has exactly K9 and is between the PFR and a caller, calling both flop and turn are perfect, allows you to keep calling more money into "his" pot. Is K9s ever in his pre flop calling range? Also, you described him as loose (K9 should be in his range) and passive (just calling w the nuts fits).

Dont mind your thought process too much. Not sure that I can add much here ...

The Turn card doesnt change much .. 2nd flush draw maybe. I agree you have polarized yourself since this bet could be seen as trying to take it down right now or pushing your draws. In a multi-way pot this type of bet should not be a surprise to another player.

1) You could take it down right now, but miss value on River if either opponent cry calls your River bet. You can only call, not raise any River bet anyway .. so get it in now, right?

2) You could be right about your opponents ranges and are forcing them to call before they see the River card and can lead into you with a now better hand.

3) V2 is in the prime spot to be with a 9 but I think you will force out any AK/KQ he may have here, which is good.

4) You seem resigned to the fact that 'oh well' if someone has a 9 then you accept defeat ... This is a decent portion of your stack to do this with.

I like the idea of taking this pot down now ($500+) and not letting anyone suck out on you with a River card but ... yes ... you will only (80% of the time) be called by hands that have you beat by V2 and V1 will be priced into any draw he has. V1 will only fold weak 'made' hands.

So I guess you are trying to price V1 to stay and price V2 to fold ... unless he has you beat? Fun hand and you had the chips to play with ... GL

Based on your villian descriptions I think this is a perfect spot
To 3 bet preflop to $85. As played its a pretty ****ty spot now and if villian 1 is loose he definitely has 9 in his range

I would have definitely 3bet pre (if you're not 3betting here, I don't know when you are tbh), and given V1 went from 60% PSB to a little under 40%, his bet screams call/shove over top me (he's got two people behind, so I doubt he wants/expects to take it down with this bet). Therefore, his range is pretty limited to hands that have you beat (KK+, AK, 97s-109s) and very little air/worse hands that call (Axcc, 1010 - QQ, KJ, 87s), especially given his description; if he was trying to make a move, he'd know to bet significantly more. And I haven't even considered what CO might have here, because we haven't collected enough information from our betting opportunities.

As played, it's a laydown on the turn.

3b pf is bad, folding flop or turn is bad, and I hate spots like this with a dry side pot because I don't have the theory down or enough experience to feel my way through it.

I'd most likely flat since we are just bluffing the turn if we ship.

KQ is probably a fold on the flop. I feel like the V1 has AA or KK or 9x here a decent amount of the time especially after he double barrels.

Folding the turn is easily the best line. V2 likely has a Kx or 9x with a FD being possible but less likely.

Folding the turn getting 5:1 is absurd

5:1 for what card? What card do you think we should be aiming to hit?

Kx where we chop or get our action killed? ( I don't think we are ahead here btw)

V1 is all in, V2 is passive and we can just check the river

I don't hate folding the flop fwiw but folding the turn is a mistake

no its not because he has given us more information as to the strength of his hand (by double barreling) and as such, we can easily find a fold because we beat none of his value range.

jesus I misread the hand that V1 went all in ott for 115

Yeah I fold the turn

Raise flop.

You're turning your hand into a bluff by going all in on the turn, and that's never a good thing.

As far as the argument of folding on the flop I wouldn't do that, prolly fold the turn though, hard for them both to have flush draws