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Yesterday , 03:19 PM
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1/3 NL. I have 240: I like playing short, but it would have been better to have a full stack in this hand. Main villain bought in a round earlier for 500. UTG + 3 raises to 15, I call in LJ with 99, CO calls, button 3!s to 45, original raiser calls, I call, button folds. About 100 to the flop of Q93,r. Checks to button, who bets 75, original raiser folds. Should I call or shove for a little less than half pot more?
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Yesterday , 03:37 PM
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1/3 NL. I have 240: I like playing short, but it would have been better to have a full stack in this hand. Main villain bought in a round earlier for 500. UTG + 3 raises to 15, I call in LJ with 99, CO calls, button 3!s to 45, original raiser calls, I call, button folds. About 100 to the flop of Q93,r. Checks to button, who bets 75, original raiser folds. Should I call or shove for a little less than half pot more?
Not sure it makes a huge difference, but in the case where he has AK or an underpair and might find a fold to a raise, I probably just call, and check turn. If he checks turn behind, I'm shoving river.
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Yesterday , 03:38 PM
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I'm ~ok with first preflop call. Second call is extremely meh with these stack sizes, imo.

Fairly dry board. We'll only have $95 left that we can easily shove into $250 even if he checks back the turn. Can still let AK bluff / catch up. No draw to be put on. We don't want to induce a rare hero fold. I don't see any reason to not just call (other than perhaps not wanting to see an A turn if he has KK)?

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Yesterday , 03:43 PM
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Since you've made over 4,000 posts, I have to assume that this HH is not a trolling attempt.

Having said that, cold-calling next in with 99 on a short stack is no bueno...and not shoving the next time around is criminal.

The final sentence is a great hook that brings possible trolling back into question.
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Yesterday , 03:47 PM
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3x45=100? no idea whats going on pre
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Yesterday , 04:12 PM
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3x45=100? no idea whats going on pre
the rake from hell? Also how does button 3 bet, and then fold?
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Yesterday , 04:21 PM
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Why would you consider flatting the flop? Isn't this a short stack's dream?
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Yesterday , 05:45 PM
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Why would you consider flatting the flop? Isn't this a short stack's dream?
GG and I believe you have a better chance of getting his stack in if we flat. We're getting it in no matter the run out. The question is, what play has the best percentage chance of getting all his stack in too?

I think it's probably very close, but I think flatting and giving him a chance to hang himself is slightly better; it's defo legit to argue that shoving flop has a greater chance of us playing for stacks, and you're free to make that case.
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Yesterday , 05:57 PM
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Oh, I made a mistake, the pot was like 145 on the flop. 295 after calling his bet with 120 left.
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Yesterday , 07:39 PM
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GG and I believe you have a better chance of getting his stack in if we flat. We're getting it in no matter the run out. The question is, what play has the best percentage chance of getting all his stack in too?

I think it's probably very close, but I think flatting and giving him a chance to hang himself is slightly better; it's defo legit to argue that shoving flop has a greater chance of us playing for stacks, and you're free to make that case.
I would just jam, if you call his flop bet does he really think you're folding otr? It also depends on your image and whether or not you've been jamming in these spot with your stack and if it's gone to SD. You can play cat and mouse and call but if he only had AK he might not call the extra 120 or whatever you have left where he would of felt much more commited otf with 2 cards to come.
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Yesterday , 09:57 PM
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I shoved and he snap folded. He must not have had 99+/AQ+. Maybe he had a bdfd with 2 suited cards.
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Yesterday , 10:25 PM
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Oh, I made a mistake, the pot was like 145 on the flop. 295 after calling his bet with 120 left.
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UTG + 3 raises to 15, I call in LJ with 99, CO calls, button 3!s to 45, original raiser calls, I call, button folds. About 100 to the flop of Q93,r. Checks to button, who bets 75, original raiser folds.
You also said the guy who 3bet and then led out on the flop folded pre.
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Yesterday , 11:02 PM
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You also said the guy who 3bet and then led out on the flop folded pre.
Sorry, I got the positions mixed up. There was a call after me, then a 3! and the caller folded.
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