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Villain 1: tag. I have only seen him showdown big hands. He made a pot sized raise earlier on a 8c Qx 5c board, with QQ. Seems competent.

Villain 2:young white hoody type. Lag, seeing a lot of flops but not too sticky unless he catches a good piece of the flop. Plays draws aggressively.

Hero: mid thirties tag with winning image. Bought in for 600, sitting on 1k

Otth
Hero in small blind with 22. Straddle is on.
V1 (1100) mp calls
V2 (255) mp +2 calls
Button calls
Hero calls in sb
BB calls
Straddler checks
Pot 60
Flop 9d 3d 2s
Hero bets 30
BB folds
Straddler folds
V1 raises to 130
V2 raises to 245 and is all in
Button folds
Hero?

I'm never folding a set here. If it's set over set so be it. Pretty sure neither have 99's. they would have raised pre. 33 the only hand that beats you.

I call and hope to stack villain 1 or min raise again. He might have slow played an overpair or just have A9.

You want his stack here.

Someone could have 4/5 suited. You pretty much beat every hand they could possibly have except 33.

How has the straddler been acting preflop and the table in general when straddles are on? If V1 could have been going for a LRR, then they easily could have AA or KK here to go with other over pairs.

I like the donk because you're building a pot and flatting the all-in I think hides the set better than a 4!, plus it gives V1 the chance to 4! himself which makes him committed and gets stacks in on the flop (and a nice side pot in case V2 out flopped you).

Is it possible that V1 has 99 or 55, sure, but that's only two hands and all they've done is raise a donk from the SB in a straddled hand.

flatting and having V1 call also sets up an easy 1/2 PSB turn and river to get all in.

Most of the table is straddling. I'm not and villain 1 is not. So straddle is nothing special. Me and villain 1 are the tightest players at the table.

V1 never has AA or Kk imo. Table is too wild not to raise.

Fold Obv

Probably just jam rep a combo draw/protection vs ss. Also actually fold out fds.

IMO there's no reason to lead OTF. You would like the pot to get as big as possible as fast as possible, but betting doesn't necessarily do that. You're WAAAAAAAAAY OOP; just see what develops.

AP, you're prob. getting squeezed, and you may have a sympathetic V1 who will just call if you do. It's a spot where you would love to see the next card. I would say flip a coin twice and fold if it's tails twice. Otherwise call.

You don't really want to stack off at this point, IMO. Just too thin; he folds everything you're ahead of 9/10.

A FD is such a big dog that you want him (V1) to call, I'm pretty sure. A FD only has like 28%, I think.

The other important point here is whether you can get some read which of the two is more likely to have

I don't think we have enough info to soul read and fold here.

There is no way that the Villains can put you on a set here.

As for what to do now.... Half the deck could kill your action and the pot is already huge. Ship it in and tip well.

Do you have the deuce of in your hand?

I thought v2 was way more likely to have diamonds or possibly a combo draw

Folding is out of the question, and if Villain is competent I don't see him calling a shove with worse, so I like calling.

Never folding here, only concern is how to get V1 money.

There are so many hands that can be raised on a flop like this.

If he is competent V could attack this board and a donk bet with flush draw, a gutter, Ax, 9x and so much more.

Way more combos that attack with a little equity than the 3 combos of 33 (he should never have 99 here if he is good). If he has that, so be it. Reload and on to the next hand.

Tank calling and leading turn vs shoving seems the real question.

tank calling and leading turn:
pro - we keep V1 bluffs and semi bluffs in.
contra - we dont protect our equity and we could lose value against hands that get scared by turns (really not a big concern here)

shoving:
pro - we protect our equity
contra - we fold out all of his bluffs that have very little equity

With these two options I highly favor flatting and evaluating turns.

Hero: I actually folded the hand. V1 looked super strong imo. I also thought that a lot of pocket pairs were in villains ranges and with 6 people taking a flop I just might be second best. When villain 2 comes ovt I figure he had a combo draw prob A4 or maybe 45. So if I put him on draw what does that leave v1 with? I can't think of any two pair combos that make any since and I don't think he would do this with the naked flush draw. Plus I saw v1 make pot sized bet earlier with flopped set of queens and his mannerisms are very similar in this hand. Look I'm not a big proponent of folding sets, I think the last time I folded a set on the flop on a board similar to this was a couple years ago.

But I don't agree with the people who are saying if he gots it he gots it. I mean if I ship it here what worse hands are calling. It's 215 for me to call and I have 40 invested in the hand so far. There 465 in the pot I think.

So I tanked for quite a while and the final question I asked myself was: do you want to play for 200bb stacks with 222? My answer was no. Fold, lose 40 bucks and move on.

Hero folds
Villain 1 shows 99
Villain 2 shows 23

I will admit it made my fold easier knowing I would get to see the hands.
I actually showed the button my hand before folding and he announced it to the table afterwards. It was the talk of the table for about ten minutes.

Look I know most people are going to say I have to call v2 and evaluate from there, and I agree. But I just went with the soul read. My question is if it comes down to playing for 200bb stacks in this spot do you guys feel comfortable stacking off most of the time?
And if so, then when do we fold a set on a board like this?

This is being very resultsoriented.

Dont post a hand if you folded because he looked strong. How is the forum supposed to help if the deciding factors for your action are based on live aspects no one but you can judge.

I'm not trying to be results oriented. That why I'm asking is it correct to play for stacks (200bb) here most of the time? Because ultimately I think that was the decision I was making on the flop. And if it is correct to play for stacks the when do we fold bottom set on this board? ( with no physical read of course)

i think shove now. If we call he may shut down anyway so better to gii before the board scares him or us.

The problem with this:
1. If V1 calls, the pot is $750 and we have $750 left.
2. V1 is unlikely to call.

I disagree, somewhat. I folded a flopped set several years ago, although in my case, a str8 was available. It is perfectly natural to wonder whether there is a correct method for it.

IMO it is a corollary of the nit theorem. If we can objectively narrow this guy's range to 33, 99 and A + [4 5] we must fold.

Stop being such a nit and straddle, especially if there are some "fun" players at the table.

Someone else brought it up and it was the first thing that came to mind: do we have the 2d?

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But this is the worst thinking ever!!!

I really wasn't sure while I was in the hand and I didn't want to look for fear of giving away hand strength. But when I decided to fold I looked and yes I had the 2d.

Yeah this was what I was thinking when I saw the OP.

I wondered whether V1 limped 99 or raised 99 in general.

It's a very good fold I could only make against very nitty players.

Money well saved by you.

It's not very important. If we can't see the 2 then A 2 is about 5% of the problem, and we're talking about 970/1000 of our stack.

Against 2 @ top 25% hands, A2dd has 63% equity, A4dd has 56%.