Should we go for it all with 2Pair?
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 249
Setting:
Orleans Casino
1-3 game
Players:
Villain is a 50 year old, solid player. He has not shown anything out of line.
Hero should be seen as tight-aggressive.
Relevant stacks are $380
Folded to me.
Hero is on the button with Ah 6s
Hero raises to $12 - SB raises to $25 - Hero calls ($355 behind)
2 Players
Pot = $53
Flop: 7s 6d 3h
SB bets $25 - Hero calls ($330 behind)
Pot = $103
Turn: Ac
SB bets $45 - Hero ???
How fast do we play this? How much do we go for? Do we attack now or wait until the river?
Please advise.
--CM
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 26,522
I really don't like calling a three bet, even a small one that is defending against a button open, with A6o against anyone we consider a solid player.
AP, I don't mind the flop call with second pair, given that he's probably betting his entire range, but it sounds like we set ourselves up to be value cut by calling pre.
Turn bails us out, but the board is pretty dry for a 3-bet pot. If we raise now, I don't see anything we beat calling except occasional big aces, and they aren't likely to also call a river bet unimproved. I prefer to call to keep his range wide, and maybe get a third barrel out of him. I bet/raise river on any card that's not a K.
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 6,237
When a sold never out of line type raises small out of a blind I'm assuming his range is going to be something like AK/AQ/TT+ and more likely tighter then looser. Which is to say, this flop didn't help him, he has no straight draws, straights or sets in his range. At the same time, hero's button opening range will be pretty wide and much of it calls the min raise. So you have 98s/77/66 in your range but probably not 54s along with various AX and 88+. You also have a lot of hands that miss the flop entirely so villain likely c-bets this all or close to all the time.
Given that I think a turn raise scares off villain too often to raise. The ace hits and now your raising? With no flush draws and a board to low for straight draws to be likely he is not going to figure you for a bluff. At the same time, villain could be turning his hand into a bluff trying to represent AK and get you off a middle pair. If he has AK he probably calls a raise but gives up all of his weaker hands and he probably switches to a check/evaluate on river.
Since villain has to go first on river I think it's an easy call. If the order of action was reversed I would raise occasionally on the turn.
Join Date: May 2012
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His PF sizing is terrible, but even vs the min raise I fold. A6o is probably the worst hand to hold here.
Turn sizing seems kind of small for AK/AQ. Plus w/ your Ace I would weight most of his range towards hands like KK/QQ that want to get to showdown.
Not sure if he 3bets this sizing with those hands though.
I would mostly call turn and see what happens on the river.
Though I think a small raise to 100 isn't bad either as he's going to have a tough time either way vs this.
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 36,149
Against solid players in the blinds, I probably just pass preflop and fold this troublesome hand; more cool with a raise versus fit/fold ABC non-difficult players. I probably also just fold to the 3bet too. Yeah, we're getting good odds due to the minraise and are in position, but with a junk hand and against a solid opponent it is very meh situation, imo.
I guess pears are hard to make so I also call the flop.
I would just call the turn. A raise will start folding out all his bluffs and may even get him to make hero folds with some Ax (i.e. is a solid player going broke here with Ax?). I may even just call his river bet if it is a large one, mostly only raising to very small bets on safe (i.e. non-broadway) cards.
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 342
Fold pre, even though you got a great price and you're IP.
Calling flop is fine.
Call down turn, not much scaring you - let your opponent continue betting with what's likely KK/QQ/AK/AQ. Ship over non-K/Q/7 rivers, call K/Q river, fold 7 river and then realize why A6o doesn't perform well in this spot.
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 262
Noob perspective:
As played, I think I just flat the turn bet, planning to raise all-in on the river if he bets again.
If he's bluffing, he may just give up and check/fold river, but in that case you wouldn't gain anything by raising turn either because, again, he'd just fold. If he's bluffing and inclined to triple-barrel it, then a turn raise scares off what would have gotten more for you on the river. The only scenario where you'd extract more value on the turn by raising now is if he's on a draw that then misses, but this seems unlikely.
This smells an awful lot like a medium pocket pair (88/99/TT/JJ) that was thrilled to be an overpair to the board on the flop, thinks your button opening range is wide enough that the ace probably didn't improve you. Maybe he puts you on a straight draw and wants to extract value.
His min-3-bet is weird though. Could be a hand as strong as KK, but this doesn't change the calculus for you. If he has AA, hat tip to him.
A6o is such a garbage hand, but you have to open it on the button and you have to call the 3-bet given the pot odds. Pretty ideal runout though (so far). I would have played it similarly.
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Fold pre-flop. As played, I would just a call. A big part of his range are hands like AK/AQ who you want to extract value from and keep your range wide plus hands like JJ that are posturing and would fold to an allin if you "go for it".