In both cases I am the preflop raiser and raised to 12 after 1 or 2 limpers, it went 4-ways to the flop, and it is checked to me on the flop. In Case I, I am the button with QTs and the flop is 853,r. In Case II, I am 3rd to act with 99 and the flop is Q74,r. Would you cbet either of these, and if so to how much?

4 way, going to check both of these. Somebody has enough to call the flop and turn.

99 is just pretty much dead to a 2 outer. QT hand is V and reads dependent, as well as dependent on if you have bdfd, default play is definitely a check, but who is calling 2 streets here? Sets check raise you, whatever, 8x/5x/3x you can bet all of 9+ and if they call too wide (unlikely) youre value betting Tx Qx, and if they fold too wide you are bluffing them off so sort of a win/win.

Population tendency is that fish overcall otf and overfold ott, so for the most part youre only cbet bluffing MW with double barrels. The nice thing about the QT is J/9 bring gutshof and you can do it with the 3 combos that have bdfd which all let you keep firing.

Definitely cbetting QTs assuming there's one of our suit on board. All Ax, Kx and baby pairs will fold and there are barrel cards. Got to be a decent chance you take the pot down now.

99 is somewhat tempting to cbet very small to deny equity to random overcards but that would be more of a factor heads up. Multiway there are too many lurking dangers and it's highly likely someone has a Queen. Checking this back. Once in a while it's good enough to win.

I'm actually more likely to bet the 9s to deny equity to overcards.

QTs four ways on that board isn't a good cbet. This hits so many limping ranges


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C-betting QT is borderline. I'd like it better if we have one of the suits on board, so we have a better chance of picking up equity on the turn. Think it's fine to just check it back though. That 853 board could have a lot of straight draws that will chase, we'll be lost on a lot of 2 to 9 runouts, and it'll be hard for us to draw to a flush or straight and get paid if we start a bluff on the flop.

I think we should probably c-bet 99 for some value and protection. Q74 has fewer draws, which is good, but we really don't have very many ways to improve, and the only really safe turn cards are a 2 or 9. If we bet, I think it should be big, for max fold equity.

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No

range bet the 99 and bet the same amount whether you have 99, a set, AQ or an overpair. you have the best hand often enough and its not like people are going to float you to steal the pot later. obv fold to any raise.

I cbet both for 20, but wondered if they were spews. I thought I might be best with 99, and they were good flops to more or less range bet. Generally, betting lowish choppy flops, and Axx, Kxx, maybe Qxx. In the QTs one, I got a checkraise and a call. Flop caller shoved the turn for about pot, which was a connecting 2-flush card, and said she had a set. 99 hand, old guy next to act minraises to 40 and I fold.

I don't like c-betting QT on 853rb because that's a flop that doesn't really smash our range as the PFR, if we spike a Q or T our top pair might not be best, and we'd need to go runner-runner to improve to a straight or top 2.

Even if we pick up equity on the turn with a J or 9, if it also brings in the BDFD, it could compel opponents to bet / raise their own hands for value and protection, making it hard for us to continue to the river and expect to get paid if we make our draw. Even if there's no BDFD, we could be up against J8 or 98 that improved to top two.

I like c-betting 99 on Q74rb because that's a flop that isn't bad for our range, our pair needs some protection, and we can deny a lot of equity from over-cards, draws, and worse pairs. It's unlikely we'll improve, but if we do somehow make a set, it'll be the effective nuts. Otherwise, there just aren't enough safe cards for me to want to play poker on later streets.

Neither hand is a situation where I'd want to play a big pot. With QT, I'm just playing pot control and trying to realize equity. With 99, I'm just trying to take it down on the flop with a big bet.

Hand 1, obviously you should fold to the check-raise. In hand 2, I might call the min-raise and see what V does on the turn. If he checks back, I'm probably turning my hand into a bluff on most river cards, assuming we don't improve to a set.

My reasoning for calling with the intent to turn 99 into a bluff is A) eff him and his stupid min-raise, and B) what the hell is he repping there, when he flat called your pre-flop raise next to act, and now he's min-clicking you next to act on this dry as toast board? Q7? 74? 65? What's his plan for the turn? Jam? Awesome. Let him. Easy fold then.

check both

There are no good flops to range bet 4 way. Especially not 853.

It depends on the players in the hand and the table dynamics in general. At a table full of sticky players, check. At a table full of fit-or-fold players, bet.

An advantage to betting small on these flops is that you often get to see two cards, as players will check the turn. Also, you've got position the whole way.

I play so nitty though. My cbets look stronger than most. I also don't think I've faced a flop c/r bluff in more than a year.

On the first board, I'd be thinking about double-barrelling if I did c-bet. It's hard for someone to call a turn bet on most turns. If V's didn't flop a set, they're going to have a lot of junky suited connectors in their flop calling range. If you're not willing to double barrel, then I'd lean away from a c-bet.

The 99 has showdown value, so almost never double-barreling those.