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Should I Make this Monster Hero Call? Should I Make this Monster Hero Call?

01-25-2012 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'd raise more preflop (prevents setmining odds, creates more dead money in pot for us to win overall during the long term with our cbets, etc.).

I'd also cbet the flop.

In general, if my flop cbet gets called, I usually give up against typical players (especially ones that I don't know). If the card was scary and could have hit my range and villain knows that and I know he can fold, then I'd double barrel, but this turn should be a blank for me.

I'd just fold the river. He could even be bluffing with a better hand. There's definitely a busted draw on board, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

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He made it 7.5bb preflop w 60bb in his stack when it folded to him. What are u advocating, a shove preflop?

Cbet is way way way too weak as you will get peeled lightly even vs very straightforward players. U made it 15 pre and CB 11. What is that. Turn is 20 into 50. If u wanna tell a story make it more believable. Nice brag post about winning with king high. Continue this play style and you will be broke soon.
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01-25-2012 , 10:19 AM
$37 is a 'monster' hero call?

Move down stakes and play with cigarettes or something.
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01-25-2012 , 10:52 AM
1. I didn't mean the word monster to have any sort of valuation in terms of price; Mostly to just get you to read the thread and post. Thanks.

2. Thank you for all the positive, negative, and constructive feedback; I found some, not all, very helpful and I will take them into account if I'm in a similar situation. I wasn't ego boosting but I did feel like pretty good after the call lol

Last edited by jrobby6; 01-25-2012 at 10:57 AM.
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01-25-2012 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kenji08
Cbet is way way way too weak as you will get peeled lightly even vs very straightforward players. U made it 15 pre and CB 11. What is that. Turn is 20 into 50. If u wanna tell a story make it more believable. Nice brag post about winning with king high. Continue this play style and you will be broke soon.
100% agree. If I were the other player I would take your call 95% of the time. The other 19 times out of 20 I have a winning hand. IMO bad call in the long run.
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01-25-2012 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kenji08
He made it 7.5bb preflop w 60bb in his stack when it folded to him. What are u advocating, a shove preflop?
If I've read things right, OP made it $7 preflop (not 7.5 BBs) with $120 stack, thus offering 17x implied odds (which is okish setmining odds). If he simply made it $12 that cuts implied odds to 10x (which are quite poor setmining odds), plus gets more money in the pot with us HU in position. Plus there's absolutely no difference between a villain calling $7 preflop vs $12; heck, I doubt anyone would blink too much if we made it $15.
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01-25-2012 , 12:21 PM
Lol, no point in offering advice. We double barreled, got snapped off twice and he donks us on the river. We're beat here like 97% of the time, just fold.
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01-25-2012 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If I've read things right, OP made it $7 preflop (not 7.5 BBs) with $120 stack, thus offering 17x implied odds (which is okish setmining odds). If he simply made it $12 that cuts implied odds to 10x (which are quite poor setmining odds), plus gets more money in the pot with us HU in position. Plus there's absolutely no difference between a villain calling $7 preflop vs $12; heck, I doubt anyone would blink too much if we made it $15.
We are only offering setmining odds if we stack off to sets and raising to a size that denies set mining odds can have all kinds of negative consequences for the (much, much larger parts) of Villains ranges. You been reading too much always_tilting.
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01-25-2012 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
We are only offering setmining odds if we stack off to sets and raising to a size that denies set mining odds can have all kinds of negative consequences for the (much, much larger parts) of Villains ranges. You been reading too much always_tilting.
Ha, I love that always_tilting guy! I sometimes don't think he's all that far off regarding his insane preflop bet sizes and I actually use them myself sometimes.

I don't care what villain's range is. We're going to be in position with initiative in a HU pot. Even if our hand is dominated (where we'll both miss the flop 70% of the time or whatever), we're still printing money in this situation, IMO. So, given that, I'd much rather offer odds that makes setmining / other speculative hands immediately unprofitable.
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01-25-2012 , 01:25 PM
Buy in full, c/f post c bet

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01-25-2012 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Ha, I love that always_tilting guy! I sometimes don't think he's all that far off regarding his insane preflop bet sizes and I actually use them myself sometimes.

I don't care what villain's range is. We're going to be in position with initiative in a HU pot. Even if our hand is dominated (where we'll both miss the flop 70% of the time or whatever), we're still printing money in this situation, IMO. So, given that, I'd much rather offer odds that makes setmining / other speculative hands immediately unprofitable.
What about if your sizing cause hands to fold you'd rather call? What about when we get three bet? I'm not even advocating a particular sizing because the whole point is that there are lots of factors to balance. Giving undue attention to one potential outcome makes it unlikely you'll come up with an optimal size.
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01-25-2012 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
What about if your sizing cause hands to fold you'd rather call? What about when we get three bet? I'm not even advocating a particular sizing because the whole point is that there are lots of factors to balance. Giving undue attention to one potential outcome makes it unlikely you'll come up with an optimal size.
If the blinds fold, I get my blinds paid for this round (ha, I know, not worth much, but I'm not too concerned). Besides, I really doubt a hand playing for $7 isn't playing for $12, right?

Regarding hands calling I'd rather not fold; like dominated KT hands? I'm pretty pot controlly postflop with TP hands, so it's not as if I'm going to stack them postflop anyways. And again, I find it difficult to believe that KT is playing for $7 but not for $12.

And if we get 3bet, I'm folding and moving on. Ditto if my flop cbet gets called. I feel I'll more than make up for that in the times I get to the flop and my cbet isn't called (which should be the majority of the situations).
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01-26-2012 , 06:23 AM
I think folding is the best play.

The next-best play would be to shove. Why not?
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01-26-2012 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
[ ] $37 is a monster call
LMAO!!

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01-26-2012 , 12:45 PM
raising the river has to be better than flatting here right? if you plan on not folding anyway, meh maybe not as value bets are prob only strong hands OTR here I guess.

as others have said just give up on the turn, I mean obv there are busted flush draws in villains range w/ this line just seems like there are plenty of other hands that can be vb on the river that take this line too.
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01-26-2012 , 03:14 PM
If his range here is super polarized to nuts or air(nuts probably being top pair to this guy) then I think a raise is pretty bad with something that has showdown value like what hero has.
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01-26-2012 , 03:35 PM
I would not bet in the turn. U have overs but his check in the dark against an unknown would provoke me to check back. Especially when I have nothing. If you can get to a showdown cheap here go for it. On the river, I'm feel he has 2 pair or less. If he had a monster, for this pot trips and up, I dont see him betting after u bet the last 2 streets.
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01-29-2012 , 04:45 AM
Check behind on the turn. If you insist on double barreling the turn, bet bigger.

Clearly, the river is a fold.
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