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Short stacked deep stack. What should be my line with top pair? Short stacked deep stack. What should be my line with top pair?

08-01-2023 , 02:54 AM
First of all sorry,the title should had been "Short handed deep stack"

Hero (5800): Very aggressive image. Bought in for 1k, I want to quit the game but my friend asked me to not leave because the whale doesnt want to play heads up, so im just tightening up.
V1 (10200): Very aggressive player. By far the biggest winner in the room. He is my friend and told me not to leave so we can crush the whale. He is the only reason im staying
V2( 4500): Aggro whale. He can hero call bottom pair, barrel 3 streets with no hand. The tell that I usually have is that when he bets big he is mostly bluffing and when he bets small he usually has a hand. He has a vpip of probably 80% even when we where 6 players. For example in a board that is K76 he can barrel off with A6 and call you down a small bet on river.

OTH
Blinds 5-10
V1 has a button straddle of 25. V2 limps in SB, I raise to 100 with Kd9d . V1 calls on button, V2 calls

Flop (300): 9c8c3s
V2 bets out 200. I call, V1 folds. Here I think it was my mistake. I should have raised him to 600-700. Even if the flush or straight hit im almost certain he will check back turn so I can bet. Thoughts on this appreciated

Turn (700): Ts
V1 bets out 500

Hero? If I call he is not checking back river. I must be prepared to call a pot size bet on the river so my decision is now

Last edited by luz4ggro; 08-01-2023 at 03:17 AM.
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08-01-2023 , 05:15 AM
i dont think flop logic for wanting to raise makes sense. you have a guy that you say blasts off with anything and you have a decent bluff ctacher ip. turn sucks but if reads are accurate id continue calling. i get turn looks bad for us but the read is hes playing every hand and bluffing off and using what appears to be a bluff heavy size. i think raising this type of hand otf vs this v because you want him to check the turn is lol. if the moneys important to you i think you can also just fold and wait for a better spot as it seems very high variance and its unclear if this is actually good. the more confidence u have in your reads though the less willing id be to fold the turn
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08-01-2023 , 05:51 AM
Seems like an easy call, idk why you'd fold. You beat a bunch of stupid merged fish bets like A8 and J9, and I'm not convinced he's '100% potting river' lol. He might have some random stuff too. Flop raise is ok, but not mandatory unless he's so bad that you want to just gii on most runouts. I also don't get why you'd want to leave the game unless you have like a sub-50k roll. You won't play basically ever in a better lineup with a whale 3-handed. Very unlikely that he's leaving with money and you have a great chance of getting it.
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08-02-2023 , 12:00 AM
Based on description I think this a clear call. I would just call flop to give him some rope.
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08-02-2023 , 12:13 AM
Click call 3 times.
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08-04-2023 , 08:40 AM
You included in your OP that big bets are usually bluffs. So this is a call.
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08-04-2023 , 09:32 AM
Yeah I like the idea of raising the flop donk here. Neither player has the clear nut advantage given preflop action, but H has more NFDs and overpairs. Also, with V1 behind, by flat calling we are vulnerable to a squeeze also from a good player when we cap our range by calling on a wet board. Fortunately V1 folds behind.

Turn is a bad card for H. I can find a tight fold here, even against a very loose player. We have 300 invested and I don't see the point of calling 500 getting 7-5 when certain to face river aggression with a mediocre hand and a capped range. If anything, I think raising turn is better than calling the 500 flat. I think we can rep more sets and QJs than V. So fold > raise> call.

Letting the whale bluff H out of 300 is probably okay for "metagame" purposes anyway. We are likely to win this money back later in the session when V blasts off into the top of our range.
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08-04-2023 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Yeah I like the idea of raising the flop donk here. Neither player has the clear nut advantage given preflop action, but H has more NFDs and overpairs. Also, with V1 behind, by flat calling we are vulnerable to a squeeze also from a good player when we cap our range by calling on a wet board. Fortunately V1 folds behind.

Turn is a bad card for H. I can find a tight fold here, even against a very loose player. We have 300 invested and I don't see the point of calling 500 getting 7-5 when certain to face river aggression with a mediocre hand and a capped range. If anything, I think raising turn is better than calling the 500 flat. I think we can rep more sets and QJs than V. So fold > raise> call.

Letting the whale bluff H out of 300 is probably okay for "metagame" purposes anyway. We are likely to win this money back later in the session when V blasts off into the top of our range.
you will literally never make the described villain fold a better hand than ours lol
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08-04-2023 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by submersible
you will literally never make the described villain fold a better hand than ours lol
Yes, which is why I prefer folding . I think we agree on this.

Perhaps where we differ is that I think calling turn is burning money because we cap our range on a wet board wherein the nuts will almost certainly change otr and we will have no idea what to do. The idea behind raising turn is to uncap ourselves and create the option to bluff certain rivers with a polar sizing.

I'd be grateful for your thoughts on this, both in general (population) and against this particular V.
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