[LOW] Shipping pre for dead money
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Relatively new to live, only about 30 hours so far. Casino reopened with 10% $15 cap at 1-3 and 2-5, so I mostly play 2-5, but a bit of both on match night. Lmk if you think it is beatable, but I think it def is on most 2-5 tables there.
We were playing 10 handed 2-5. I am about $650 deep. Table is okayish, 3-4 solid players, couple weak regs, rest limpy fish of various degrees. UTG straddles to $10 (not everyone had been).
Quite a tight player, though new to the table opens to $25, 5 callers, mostly fish, one solid reg, then gets to me in BB with AQo. I think about it for a minute, and with about 65bb with straddle. I just decide to jam for the $125 dead money.
I was mainly worried about the tight RFI player, but he folds and then it folds around. Thoughts?
I honestly like my play and would do this if there was no straddle on, though it would really depend on the table. If there were fish that would just call a bunch of things, probably not as I am really trying to get dead money.
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If you have a read that the initial raiser will fold, odds are everyone else will as well. It's a fair strategy and it's called a squeeze play. And it makes a lot of sense when several limpers have called a decent open bet as in your example. To take down $125 with AQo is great.
If you get a rep for doing it a lot, someone is going to ambush you by calling with QQ+ but those happen rarely.
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If this is like my home casino no flop no drop so it's $125 free and clear.
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I especially like it if it’s no flop no drop, but NH either way.
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I would do the same. Well played.
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Noob perspective:
I can certainly get on board with a 3-bet, and a chunky one at that with 4 (lol) callers. But is a jam necessary, as opposed to raising to, say, 200?
I just wonder if there's a bet size that would accomplish the same thing without risking your entire stack when there's a chance UTG has you in really bad shape.
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I think from a theory POV you should probably raise a smaller size (across all your 3-betting hands). You can still price everyone out of calling but give yourself the option of folding to a jam.
But given real world tendencies I don't know, maybe jamming is best.
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Is jamming 5x pot with a good but not great hand a good idea vs. UTG+1?
I mean as long as everyone folds, it's fine ... Assuming all my math is roughly correct:
If opener raises ~20% and calls AK+,QQ+ (~2.5%) and everyone else also then folds ... you win 7 times 125 and lose ~$310 when called (again, assuming nobody else overcalls). Which is a ~+$70 per hand.
If opener raises ~10% and calls AQ+,99+ (~5%) and everyone else also then folds ... you win 125 or lose ~$110 when called (again, assuming nobody else overcalls). Which is a ~+$7 per hand.
...it's also worth noting that you are shoving ~4% of hands, which will be noticeable. And you are almost certainly losing value with AA/KK.
Worth remembering that it's kind of hard to have A4s in your range for this size.
Also worth thinking about what people do when you raise to $200 and they have AJ/KQ or whatever.
And finally that this is way more fun when people open raise 5x and you have ~100bb, less so when then make it 3x or 4x and you have 250bb+.
Last edited by illiterat; 06-11-2022 at 10:03 PM.
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It’s fine. You are laying a lot but it should be fine, both in the current hand and for metagame considerations.