8 handed home cash game. main villain (BB) plays much better than the others. Hero (UTG) is a loose player, so the main villain 3-bets hero with higher frequency.
Pre-flop:
Hero raises to 4bb with 5c5d, MP calls, BB 3-bet to 15bb. Hero and MP call.
Do you seriously think he had J9 and played it like that? Or maybe you (and he) meant TT, which was the nuts until the river?
Regardless, this seems like a terrible fold to me. The river didn't really change anything.
i think he meant J9. ane i think his action does seem reasonable if he has J9h, cbet on flop as T was in his range, cbet on turn to act like overpair while drawing both flush and straight..
From the bets and your river comment, there are120bb in the pot by the turn and he bets about 48bb all in OTR so stacks are around 110bb effective.
Pre: you are getting about 4-3 on your call, you need 7-1 I think to set mine, but you are in position. Problem is at this stack size in a 3b pot you're not going to have a lot of leverage.
Flop: good, because there isn't much in the way of draws apart from 89.
Turn: The 2 of heart puts a FD and a wheel draw which I believe can be in his range if he's widening is 3b against you with suited A. You want to shove here, he can call with draws and overpairs, AT. If he has the draw he's not going to call you on the river unless it hits, if he doesn't he may or may not fold river when it does hits and you might be scared to bet it. Whatever he has he's only got 48ish BB left OTT, so he's committed, now you get him.
His flop bet is also basically a mandatory c-bet after 3betting, the turn bet indicates he has something and you have a set.
River: I can see him having J9hh and played this way, but that's just one hand and you are married to this pot, you are getting 3.4 to 1 on this river, you can't fold.
Pretty bad fold. Your guy probably had AA. Flop SPR was 3. His overpairs can easily stack off here. Just don’t ever fold sets on dry boards in 3b pots at 140bb effective.
Welcome to the forum, OP. Next time, don't include your last action, as it tends to bias responses. Just get up to the decision you have the biggest question about and instead of saying what you did, ask what you should do. This is usually written as "Hero: ?"
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Yes. Never fold sets at LLSNL
This is an overstatement.
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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
Just don’t ever fold sets on dry boards in 3b pots at 140bb effective.
But this isn't. It should be pretty rare to fold sets, like a 4-of-a-suit board, or mega deep facing an overbet, or vs an uber-nit, etc.
Last edited by Garick; 09-05-2022 at 10:56 AM.
Reason: typo
Vilain has JJ-AA like 99% of the time, easiest call ever.
You can jam turn as well like others have stated, vilain bet 33bbs and has 50bbs behind he’s not folding.
Extremely unlikely that villain would be 3-betting J9 from the blinds. You say he 3-bets you lighter, but there is- another player in the pot as well, plus raising something with no showdown value OOP is pretty out there. If he actually had J9, I would stop thinking of him as a very good player.
