Setting up a loose image for couple of hands when you sit down? - Page 2 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Hey dgi, appreciate your advice (I've been spending hours reading your thread since the past couple days lol, just got done with today's share of reading

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I think I lack the ability to profile my opponents correctly as "scared money nits", "rec fish nits", TAG, LAG, blah blah, so it's not too easy to explain why I feel they're capable of folding KK sometimes. Even after 7 years of playing poker, I can't identify who is exactly what and it's making me frustrated. I really can't explain why I feel this V could fold KK.

Also, getting back to my OP hand, V never raises to $100 pf if I hadn't acted the way I did in the past 2 hands. He is scared I'd call his standard $40-50 r/r with ATC because of my past behaviour, hence the $100 GET-OUT-OF-HERE raise. OTOH, if I hadn't raised the first 2 hands, V's r/r would be maybe around $40-50, and once I re-popped it to say $100-$120, he is definitely capable of folding imo, since he knows I'd not do this with AK/JJ and possibly even QQ. 1/3 villains aren't 4-bet happy with QQ/AK type hands.

This is a pretty unusual spot though. Would villain play it the same way later when it's become clear that you aren't just a reckless maniac?

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08-27-2014 , 10:39 PM

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mpethybridge

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I'm with DGI on this one. The number of villains who fold KK to a 4bet preflop with 100bbs is not significant enough to worry about. Sure, they might just flat, but they are getting the rest in on the majority of flops.

Fizzy, how many times have you folded KK preflop? Personally, I think I've done it twice (and never for <= 100bbs).

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Let's not conflates two issues.

Obviously, AA v KK is a coolerin a lot of situations, and the previous two hands that the OP played had no bearing on stacks going in on this occasion.

That's a separate issue from folding kings pre, though.

My general rule is that folding kings pre is often--not usually, but often--indicative of an earlier mistake.

But getting away from KK isn't rocket science. The last three times I've run kings into aces I have lost 8bb, 15bb and 35bb. Auto stacking off and taking your cooler like a man isn't usually necessary.

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08-27-2014 , 11:08 PM

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dgiharris

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Originally Posted by venice10

The problem with "setting up an image" is that you have to maintain it. If you after these 3 hands are only raising 10% of hands, within an hour everyone else at the table will either be different or forgot about it. You're much better off exploiting the image that your generating in the natural course of events.

This.

Most of the time, our image is out of our control. Donks and rec fish believe what they want to believe despite evidence to the contrary.

There is a player who I always jam when I'm near nutted because he always thinks I'm bluffing him because I bluffed him in a big pot a year ago. Since then I've never bluffed him yet he calls me down ridiculously light. Trying to "change" my image as far as he is concerned would be an exercise in futility

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08-28-2014 , 03:07 AM

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livesinabarn

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 485

If you want a loose table image you should talk a lot, and loudly, from the moment you sit down. A looser image will get 99 and AQ to end up aipf, kk will do it regardless obv.