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08-11-2019 , 11:26 PM

#26

hitchens97

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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium

An OMC might be limping AA UTG some fraction of the time. This really screams AK to me.

I'm Interested to hear the results.

True, but lots of OMCs limp AK too.

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08-12-2019 , 01:08 PM

#27

Nippleman

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I thought limping premiums was a young person thing. OMC's just opened super tightly/ play ABC poker post.

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08-12-2019 , 03:41 PM

#28

hitchens97

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

I thought limping premiums was a young person thing. OMC's just opened super tightly/ play ABC poker post.

The omc doesn't consider AK a premium though.

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08-12-2019 , 03:44 PM

#29

Ddebaggi

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OMC leads river 100$ I raise to $300 he just calls with AA
Weird hand I can see value in doing all 3 things here I’ll just chalk it up to a cooler

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08-12-2019 , 05:27 PM

#30

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Originally Posted by Ddebaggi

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OMC leads river 100$ I raise to $300 he just calls with AA
Weird hand I can see value in doing all 3 things here I’ll just chalk it up to a cooler

His call here is evidence that folding to a shove is fine. He should never be shoving over the top without the nuts.

I think you played it fine and just ran into a cooler.

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08-12-2019 , 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ddebaggi

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OMC leads river 100$ I raise to $300 he just calls with AA
Weird hand I can see value in doing all 3 things here I’ll just chalk it up to a cooler

It's a bizarre double idiot-checkraise line. You should be thrilled after the fact that he didn't stack you. In fact it's a minor miracle that he didn't

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08-12-2019 , 07:01 PM

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Homey D. Clown

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

It's a bizarre double idiot-checkraise line. You should be thrilled after the fact that he didn't stack you. In fact it's a minor miracle that he didn't

Where do you see a checkraise?

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08-12-2019 , 08:06 PM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

Where do you see a checkraise?

On all streets. Where is there not one?

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08-12-2019 , 08:11 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

Where do you see a checkraise?

It’s an idiot checkraise. Aka you call and donk a blank

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08-12-2019 , 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ddebaggi

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OMC leads river 100$ I raise to $300 he just calls with AA
Weird hand I can see value in doing all 3 things here I’ll just chalk it up to a cooler

As expected omc didn't raise you because it wasn't the nuts.

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08-12-2019 , 10:27 PM

#36

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Btw thank you OP. This is the rare post where somebody calls someone an omc and they actually act like one.

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08-13-2019 , 03:41 AM

#37

Homey D. Clown

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

On all streets. Where is there not one?

There isn't one on any street. Villain donkbet, hero raised...

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08-13-2019 , 03:45 AM

#38

Homey D. Clown

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

It’s an idiot checkraise. Aka you call and donk a blank

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Is there an actual term for that? An "idiot check/raise"? I don't think so, I'm guessing you coined that? I don't think we're supposed to know that.

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08-13-2019 , 04:42 AM

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vini.barbosa

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Originally Posted by BignutzOnerz

Have you seen him bet these sizings before? If you have what do they normally mean? Is it a monster that doesn't want to scare off smaller holdings (that's what it feels like to me) or is it more likely to be a blocker bet with something like strongish Ace? He c-bets 1/2 pot and calls a 3x raise, then donks for a small 1/3 of the pot on a second spade then calls the 3x raise again and then goes on to donk for a little under half the pot AGAIN. To me, this feels incredibly nutted. As in can't even be AK nutted. As in we could even make an exploitative fold here because it's only ever AA or a weird turned 99 nutted.

But if you've seen him do these smaller bets before and they're more likely to be blocker bets with weaker holdings AND you think he will call off then a raise is fine. I don't think this is an easy insta raise just because we have a set here, what are we hoping to get called by? His line is so weird and non-standard that I can't think of anything we beat except for AK/AQ of spades (AJ and AT too if he's opening those UTG). Flops top pair with top/good kicker and bets, has to call young maniacs raise at least once or twice. Picks up the nut flush draw to go along with his strong pair on the turn so decides to lead really small for some reason and does some weird semi value semi blocker bet on the river?

If he really sees you as a maniac and decides he has to call your raise on the flop when there's only one overcard with 99 and turns a set I could see that being possible too.

For me, I think this is just a call and MAYBE even a fold depending on how tight this "OMC" is. The line to me just feels so nutted, do you think he is going to donk the turn and the river after getting raised twice with just AK and no flush draw? That seems crazy, though I may be ranging this guy way too tight. If I am giving this guy too much credit and he can turn up with any AQ here, then this could be a good spot to take advantage of your image as a maniac and just jam. If he's going to hero with AQ and AK here, I don't think the size matters.

But yeah let me know how close or wrong I am because I have a feeling I'm either way off or spot on haha. My money's on AA or AKss

+1.

And I’m only calling turn and river vs an OMC.

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08-13-2019 , 08:49 AM

#40

Ddebaggi

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

It's a bizarre double idiot-checkraise line. You should be thrilled after the fact that he didn't stack you. In fact it's a minor miracle that he didn't

Am I missing something here ? I raised in position in a heads up pot with middle set

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08-13-2019 , 09:43 AM

#41

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

Is there an actual term for that? An "idiot check/raise"? I don't think so, I'm guessing you coined that? I don't think we're supposed to know that.

Fish trifecta can also be used when they donk 3 times

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08-13-2019 , 01:40 PM

#42

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by Ddebaggi

Am I missing something here ? I raised in position in a heads up pot with middle set

You didn't respect the opponent, you just literally played your hand's strength ignoring what he was doing. the only reason you probably didn't lose your stack is that he was mubsy (I am guessing). That's something fish do, but think about it this way.

Why would he bet the turn, after you raised him?

Why would be donk river after you reraised him twice?

What hands do you think he is running with? I am taking him off most draws when he bets turn, because why would a draw bet into a reraise? He is never playing Jacks this way, which is the only hand you are behind that got there on the river.

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08-13-2019 , 03:08 PM

#43

Ddebaggi

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

I’m just thinking he has AK or Some random suites ace and thinks it’s good so he’s firing regardless of what I have

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08-13-2019 , 04:40 PM

#44

Minatorr

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

There isn't one on any street. Villain donkbet, hero raised...

I was being sarcastic

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