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05-20-2014 , 01:43 PM
Game is 1/2/5
8 handed pretty passive table, almost no 3 bets.
Hero($550/bought in for $300) has TAG/LAG imagine has been pretty much only one raising or 3 betting, have shown down a few times usually good. Got into hand earlier with V1 my AK vs his AQ ....AXX flop,he spikes Q on river for 2 pr. I raise PF, bet turn and river he calls down and wins about $400 pot.
V1($650/bought in for $400) deep pockets, fishy/ sticky...but competent. Probably slight looser/break even player.
On to hand..

I straddle on the button to $10
UTG calls
UTG+1 calls
V1 in MP calls
Cut off calls
Hero looks down at 1010
and make it $60 total
Folds around, V1 and H heads up (pot $145 after rake)
Flop A,10, J
V1 bets $75
Hero????
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05-20-2014 , 01:48 PM
What does a player who is TAG/LAG play like?

What does a player who is fish/competent play like?

I'm serious.
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05-20-2014 , 01:59 PM
I don't understand your player descriptions, but I'm raising here all of the time, I would expect to see 2p or an ace that he will not fold to a raise a lot. He may have KQ but so what, he does not have AA or JJ if he's in any way competent as you've suggested (fishy and competent).

I'm making it $190 to make him think he has some fold equity if he shoves. He does not.
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05-20-2014 , 02:00 PM
Villain and hero description don't matter here, even against a nit your getting it in on this flop. This is driven by SPR, you flopped a set and have a SPR less then 4. Two pair/AK/AQ are at least as likely as a flopped straight or higher set and villain may show up with a few hands like KK/QQ/QJ, however, there are too many turns that kill you or kill the action to mess around. Raise to $200 and call if villain shoves.
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05-20-2014 , 02:06 PM
Ever go from playing TAG then switch over to LAG and back?
Have you ever seen a fishy player that has played for years and understands the concept but doesn't incorporate it, or has his moments?
That is what I'm trying to get across with my descriptions.
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05-20-2014 , 02:15 PM
I might consider open jam just because it looks suspicious, like you don't want a call. I think it actually looks much weaker than a smallish (175-200) raise and doesn't put us in a spot where we have to jam 4 straight boards on turn.

Honestly, if villain is calling 200 he is calling all in.
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05-20-2014 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fitzthetaxman
I might consider open jam just because it looks suspicious, like you don't want a call. I think it actually looks much weaker than a smallish (175-200) raise and doesn't put us in a spot where we have to jam 4 straight boards on turn.

Honestly, if villain is calling 200 he is calling all in.
On the contrary, against a fishy, sticky villain like this I think jamming lets him off the hook with some hands that are drawing very thin, like Ax or JT, where he might well call one raise with those.

I'm making it 200 and shoving turn.
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05-20-2014 , 03:06 PM
I raise to $175 V insta jams covers me.
Hero?
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05-20-2014 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by poyo
I raise to $175 V insta jams covers me.
Hero?
Snap, he's doing this a lot wider than things that beat you, and if he has KQ then you have outs.

If he has JJ or AA then he is not at all competent and you need to adjust your read. Tbh having KQ in this spot isn't all that competent.
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05-20-2014 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by poyo
Game is 1/2/5
8 handed pretty passive table, almost no 3 bets.
Hero($550/bought in for $300) has TAG/LAG imagine has been pretty much only one raising or 3 betting, have shown down a few times usually good. Got into hand earlier with V1 my AK vs his AQ ....AXX flop,he spikes Q on river for 2 pr. I raise PF, bet turn and river he calls down and wins about $400 pot.
V1($650/bought in for $400) deep pockets, fishy/ sticky...but competent. Probably slight looser/break even player.
On to hand..

I straddle on the button to $10
UTG calls
UTG+1 calls
V1 in MP calls
Cut off calls
Hero looks down at 1010
and make it $60 total
Folds around, V1 and H heads up (pot $145 after rake)
Flop A,10, J
V1 bets $75
Hero????

I assume V called from the blinds and led out the flop. He prolly doesn't have AA so were behind KQ, maybe JJ. Raise to 200 and put it in on basically any turn. If he shoves over you on the flop he prolly has a mix of KQ JJ JT AT and AJ. If he flips over his KQ we still call based on pot odds and JJs a cooler
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05-20-2014 , 04:11 PM
I call and as soon as I call he asks, if I want to run it more than once. I usually only run once. I told him this but would hate for him to suck out, so I decided I'll only run it once or 3X with you.
Any thoughts on this?
Will post results shortly.
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05-20-2014 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by poyo
I call and as soon as I call he asks, if I want to run it more than once. I usually only run once. I told him this but would hate for him to suck out, so I decided I'll only run it once or 3X with you.
Up to you, makes no difference at all in the long run whether you're ahead or behind, just lowers variance.

Personally I always offer to run it 3 times when I have the option at 1-2 or higher, and with pots of greater than $100 at my 25c/50c home game, but I really don't care either way. If I really cared it would be me playing too high I guess (which I have done the few occasions I played 2-5 before I was rolled).
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05-20-2014 , 05:08 PM
We agree on 3x, V turns over AK
I scoop 2 of the 3, him getting there on the last board with a straight.
Thanks for the input guys...Thought alot about this hand and what would have been the optimal play.
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05-20-2014 , 05:46 PM
Him asking to run it more than once would incline me to believe I am ahead and therefore would be opposed to running it more than once but it really doesn't matter regardless
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05-20-2014 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rockydawg
Him asking to run it more than once would incline me to believe I am ahead and therefore would be opposed to running it more than once but it really doesn't matter regardless
Yeah I really don't like this way of thinking, either you always (at least offer to) run it multiple times or you don't, don't like the whole "well I'm way ahead so no not running it more than 1x" thing.
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05-20-2014 , 08:09 PM
I agree Gramuel. I will be consistent, I don't usually run it more than once. If someone asks me and I do, I'll do it all night. Same with blinds, I'll always chop if possible.
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05-20-2014 , 08:26 PM
I'm never up for running it multiple times. Consistency is key here just in my experience whenever someone has offered to run it multiple times it's been with the weaker of hands/huge draws. Maybe skewed because I've had few opportunities where people have asked to run multiple times
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05-20-2014 , 08:32 PM
guys like this love to shove too wide hoping you fold. running it once lets them know you won't let them off easy when they get caught. afterwards, often they will play just as loose against you but more passively, which is great. or they go on tilt and spew, which is also great. just make sure you know which is which.
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05-20-2014 , 08:35 PM
Hero calls and evaluates turn?
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05-20-2014 , 09:56 PM
The turn was a blank I don't think I would've got much out of him.
But then again with just a call he may think I'm weak and fire again....
Might have been a decent line.
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05-20-2014 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by poyo
Ever go from playing TAG then switch over to LAG and back?
Have you ever seen a fishy player that has played for years and understands the concept but doesn't incorporate it, or has his moments?
That is what I'm trying to get across with my descriptions.
Probably the least helpful player reads on this forum.
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05-20-2014 , 10:26 PM
Come on slim, been reading here for quite awhile, I know I didn't do that good of a job on description, was a little rushed. But least helpful on forum? Mb I should've posted like everyone else "just sat down" or "my first orbit".
V was and older white guy mb late 40s, wearing a short sleeve button up Hawaiin type shirt, top 2 buttons not buttoned. I've seen him around for years, have only played with him a handful of times.
Hero late 30's American/Mexican drinking a beer, always wears square toed cowboy boots(we're in TX) Ralph Lauren button up long sleeve Polo shirt. Very friendly joking and talking with everyone at table.
Any advice on how I should've played?
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05-20-2014 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by poyo
Come on slim, been reading here for quite awhile, I know I didn't do that good of a job on description, was a little rushed. But least helpful on forum? Mb I should've posted like everyone else "just sat down" or "my first orbit".
V was and older white guy mb late 40s, wearing a short sleeve button up Hawaiin type shirt, top 2 buttons not buttoned. I've seen him around for years, have only played with him a handful of times.
Hero late 30's American/Mexican drinking a beer, always wears square toed cowboy boots(we're in TX) Ralph Lauren button up long sleeve Polo shirt. Very friendly joking and talking with everyone at table.
Any advice on how I should've played?
I play it same way. Not super interesting really. Think you played it right.

But yeah the above is way better than the OP. I mean you said he was TAG/LAG and fishy/sticky but competent. Kinda hard to make heads or tails of that descrip. But Hawaiian shirt guy...yeah we know he a fish
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05-20-2014 , 10:48 PM
I'm the TAG/LAG...been mixing it up.
He was fishy...but around long enough to pick up a little.
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