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08-27-2011 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Why? Wasn't one douchebag at the table enough so you felt you needed to become one too?
Which is exactly why I didn't slow roll... but when someones a douche to you, naturally you feel like being a douche back. human nature? I didn't though, that's what counts right?
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08-28-2011 , 06:17 AM
Also, this doesn't really count but thanks to Joe Navarro I won the biggest pot ever. I didn't use his tip, but somebody else did.. and it was wrong.

I had the stone cold nuts and the vein in my neck was throbbing. I didn't even know but someone noted that it's a big sign of anxeity and weakness so he called my all in and lost.

Point 100 in the book of 200 poker tells doesn't even mention that the person could be strong! (Though it does mention it earlier on in the book)

So thanks Navarro!
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08-28-2011 , 07:54 AM
I've known that tell for a long time as a "I have a monster hand" tell, so I think it must be Caro. At any rate, Navarro wouldn't make that mistake, so the guy just didn't remember the material correctly.
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08-28-2011 , 08:09 AM
Dont know - I have the book open in front of me and it does say a throbbing vein is a massive sign of anxiety/weakness lol... Even so every tell should be used with others so the guy made the mistake of relying on it.

Worryingly I don't know how to hide it!
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08-28-2011 , 12:09 PM
Turtlenecks. Works for hickies too.
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08-28-2011 , 12:40 PM
Whenever I have AA or KK and I am 3 bet by a tight player i do this routine. Lets say I raise early in a 1/2 game to $8 or $10 with AA. Villain will reraise me to $40. I Move in my chair putting my leg under by butt and sitting on it, leaning toward the table and immediately asking the dealer "how much, is it? Count it out." Then I think for a while and say "you got a big hand?" And I'll quietly under my breath but making sure villian hears, "its either all-in or fold" Then after thinking for a little longer I say all-in.

I get a call from a hand like QQ, JJ, AK about 95% of the time.

This works even against good opponents, as long as they have not played with me before, and works all the time against fish.
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08-28-2011 , 01:05 PM
Anyone who knows the standard tells will bullet muck after that performance. They were going to call anyway.
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08-28-2011 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JayKon
Anyone who knows the standard tells will bullet muck after that performance. They were going to call anyway.
Agreed - most are calling anyway and any good player will see straight through it...
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08-28-2011 , 05:23 PM
I have a hereditary condition w/ hand tremors (my sister has them as well). It comes and goes but is magnified when I'm conscious of it (e.g., when moving chips making a big bet). So, my hands shake whether I am strong or weak. Been playing live for about 4 years and can say about 80% of the time it is perceived as strong. This is in the 1/2, 3/5, and 200-500 buy in MTT levels. Might just be a random sample, just thought I'd throw this in since I haven't really run into anyone w/ the same problem (or advantage, depending on how you look at it).
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08-29-2011 , 09:52 AM
this isn't a false tell or anything (though could be used as one i suppose if you're feeling super frisky), but this is the closest to a LC/NC thread i can find in this forum (mb could use one) and i'd like to know if i was being a dick.

1/2. i limp utg, 2 limps, button a nice guy/good player/regular, drops two $5 chips clearly over the line, pulls his hand back and then goes back and pulls one chip back, it was innocent and definitely not an angle. dealer announced call, so i speak up and say that was a raise.

now it gives off that i limped a big hand, but the alternative was a 6 way limped pot, so i didnt really care too much about giving something away, but am i a dick for attempting to (dealer said it was a call i didnt care enough to call floor) enforce a raise in a spot where i was sure it wasn't an angle shot? basically forcing the guy to give me $8 for an innocent mistake. describing it i feel like a petty dick. if i had been in the BB there's 0 chance i try and enforce it (prob just needle him for it), and i doubt if it's good morals/ethics to base that decision on my hole cards/position. think i'm gonna apologize.
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08-29-2011 , 09:59 AM
Mistake, or not. Unless he declared a call, it's a raise and the dealer should have enforced it - period.
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08-29-2011 , 10:32 AM
I don't often eat meals at table, but recently saw a deep-stacked reg push AI after some considerable pf and flop action. Vil goes into the tank and reg turns to his reuben sandwich, taking a big sloppy bite. Then another. Totally bored as to whether or not he got a call.

Looked strong as could be as he calmly chewed. He got a fold. Having observed his play, I think he was most likely out of line.
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08-29-2011 , 05:38 PM
Why do you think he was "out of line"? I would have been thanking him all day long for showing he had absolutely 0 signs of anxiousness about his All In, meaning he was either:
a) Very Strong
b) in full knowledge that opponent was very weak so was confident about the all in

Either way, at the time of going all in, Vil knew he'd won, but by biting the sandwhich he made sure he wouldnt get a call.

Dont see how he was out of line?
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08-29-2011 , 05:57 PM
I think/hope he means that the guy was bluffing.
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08-29-2011 , 06:44 PM
Hey PR - bluffing? eat a sandwich.
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08-29-2011 , 09:36 PM
A favourite reverse tell of mine which I tend to overuse:

When the villain is staring you down for tells, do the stare (i never do the hoodie and shades thing so my face tells all) back BUT break the stare briefly after a short while by looking to the side and down quickly. Add a subtle swallow of the saliva.

Fooled plenty into thinking i was uncomfortable at the thought of a call after bluff raising all in... Of course, I will turn over the nuts when called...

Just did it in a recent hand and villian hero called with TPGK when i had a FH on a semi wet board...
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08-30-2011 , 02:02 AM
This is not exactly a "false tell" but it uses similar psychology.

I was playing 2/5 regularly in a casino game with a lot of regs. There was one "poker genius" who liked to talk excitedly and brag after he won pots. You all know the type. Anyway I once tried to run a river bluff on him in a multi way raised pot with 56 on a 78A5T board by c/c flop and turn, then overbetting the river. He calls with AJ and as he's bubbling with excitement he can't help but explain his thinking in the hand to his neighbor to let him know what a genius he is and how sick his reading skillz are. He tells the guy "he showed weakness by just calling the flop and turn, when he bets big like that on the river he just wants me to fold, so I have to call. I would have called with anything there".

I never played a pot with him until about a week later when I limped from the button with A3dd over 5 other limpers in a straddled pot. Flop was QJ4ddd. He makes a sizable bet into the 8 handed pot and I flat. We were both deep with $1200ES. I flat his big bet on the turn when it bricks off, and ship it for about $1000. He smiles, announces call, and shows me KdQx. Sick reed, now ship it Moran!

I took this line knowing if I played this hand the same way that I did my previously failed bluff, that he would call light. He gave me this info while bragging after winning a pot. Listen to these idiots brag about their thought process and use it against them every chance you get
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