Table is pretty great. Everyone loves to limp, people love to call $10-13 raises pre flop, and everyone seem to play fit or fold post flop.
They don't show a whole lot of aggression, and most people seem pretty scared of big bets.

We've only been at the table for 15-25 hands but only 3 of us have raised it up much pre flop. Mostly just me making bets, other people calling and folding on the flop.

I might have a bit of a spewy image. I was in a limped pot, in the small blind and on a 56J flop 2h, I checked with 56 the BB bet 8, 4 people called, and I shoved for $90 effective, and 2 people called (one has AJ, one had a flush draw, and got there). I didn't show my hand but said what I had when it went all in OTF.

Villain 1: Is close to a tag. He's a tournament pro. He doesn't raise a lot pre flop, but raises biggish when he does. Will likely raise pp's 99+, ATs+ AJo, and KQs.

Hand:
(Everyone on the table has ~$175 except for villain 1.)
2 people limp
Hero limps
V1 raises to 15$
3 people call
1 fold
2 people call
1 fold
Hero shoves with?

There's $105 in the pot already. The PFR only has $90 total, so he's got $75 behind. I'm pretty sure if I shove, everyone at the table will fold unless they have exactly QQ+. They will NOT call AKs but maybe JJ.

What is your shoving range here?
Note that I expect the PFRer to call with his entire range here, 100% of the time.

Doesn't this answer your question? If his raising range is this tight JJ+ and AK are probably your range. I don't have access to stove it right now, but if you're pretty certain of his range, it's really just a math problem.

Correction: I guess your range should be a bit wider, assuming that you're very likely to get folds from everyone else. Based on the action you're describing I'm having a hard time putting $105 together, but assuming it's my mistake: you're essentially betting $88 to win $180 so your range can be pretty wide here since you really only need ~40% equity. I'm rounding up a bit since there's a non-zero possibility of another limper calling you with a hand they probably should've played differently.

Yeah, I can't add. Sorry. There is $90 out there before I act.

You answered you own question. If he is 100% calling with his entire raising range, then your shoving range just needs to be equal to or slightly better than his calling range. If you include money in the pot, then mathematically, your range could actually be a tad lower than his range since the dead money makes up the equity imbalance.

So, 99+, ATs+ would be the bare minimum i'd shove against him with.

$75 of dead money
Villain has $90.
We're risking $90 to win ($90+$75+$90)= $255. Assuming $5 rake, it's $250.

$90/$250 = 0.36

We need greater than 36% equity to make shoving +EV (assuming no one else will call). I don't have pokerstove on this computer, but I'm thinking we need pretty decent cards to shove this. As other posters have mentioned, your range should basically be the same as villain's range.

wizard's math looks right.

given your pretty specific range for villain, you can actually shove wider than most people think. you should shove {22+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs}


for the pocket pair part of your range:
945,191,808 games 0.001 secs 945,191,808,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.703% 61.40% 00.31% 580302000 2908782.00 { 99+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 38.297% 37.99% 00.31% 359072244 2908782.00 { 22 }

Why does a tournament pro only have a $90 stack? I'd probably shove any ATs+, AK, AQ, and 99+.

So we need 36% equity to break even, on a table as described being so juicy, why would we want to put all our money in on such a razor thin margin?

I'd rather just play this against V1 as described and dead money is bonus. TT+, AJs+, AQo+.

With a good table I am only shoving AA. Got to believe your gonna get more than one caller. I would pick different spot rather then use what little edge you have in this spot. By going all-in your making it easy for them to make a good decision.

Loose table will give you multiple spots like this without a tag raising utg.

enjoy your razor thin edges, compare this to 22:

119,861,280 games 0.000 secs 23,972,256,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.214% 54.34% 06.87% 65137377 8234114.00 { 99+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 38.786% 31.92% 06.87% 38255675 8234114.00 { AsJs }


also, >2% more than what you need to break even is not razor thin anyway. that's what makes you good at poker, recognizing this edge... not overestimating it and looking for better spots.

Don't listen to people telling you not to push marginal edges and pick a better spot. This whole game is about pushing marginal edges. Assuming you are rolled for the game, push every edge you can and reload/top up when you need to.

not a great squeeze spot cuz pfr isnt loose opener

im squeezing to 105 w/ jj+ and ak vs described villain

So, you put your money in a CD earning .95% interest when you have a stock broker who has a history of getting 7-10% returns? Look at the table description by OP. Just playing tight ABC poker at this table is more than +2% EV. Playing at this table should be like printing money, no need to risk it on a coin flip +1-2% (and that only applies if our reads are perfect; if our reads about the other players not calling are false or if V's range has just a sliver less AJ and more TT+, then we are -EV).

If you aren't underrolled for the game, there's no reason not to push every marginal edge. I'll take .95% interest today when 10% interest isn't available until tomorrow.

or is range could be a sliver wider, and we could be more +EV.
i also assume you probably now dont wanna shove AJs, like you had included in your range before. cuz we are only 2.8% above breakeven zomg

so, if you wanna pass up on a spot where you are 2-2.5% above breakeven, what is the minimum edge you would not pass up on? 4%? 5%? 10%?

Nobody is accounting for FE in the math. We can broaden our range a bit here even if we get folds like 5% of the time.

we aren't accounting for fe cuz op said he never folds, which could obviously be incorrect.

but that is another good counterargument to "why are you pushing such small edges? we could be wrong"

But BRM is a consideration and given that people already tend to underestimate the variance and bankroll necessary to play a more "normal," conventional style, you damn better be sure your roll is extremely healthy if you're going to put yourself in marginal spots like this on a regular basis.

since the thread has derailed to discussion of taking small edges, i will comment on that as well

whenyour decision is roughly break even at worst, always take the aggressive action.

that means call allins when u are getting 2 to 1 and estimate ~33% equity
shoving flops with nfd with mid-low spr vs a bet or raise

this is because you either break even or they are bluffing that time and you profit. great for image also

i have won lots of pots shippin with nfd to get called by low nfd and win with ace high, or call an allin with open ender and overs cuz of spr/pot commitment etc and win cuz they have low end draw or w/e