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Second shot at 2/5, need help with some leaks Second shot at 2/5, need help with some leaks

01-31-2017 , 12:49 PM
Just sat down at table so don't have many reads except that most players seem to know each other so are probably regs.

I am a younger player, mid 20s and villain is white male in 30s, like I said no reads.

Hero is MP with Td9d

UTG limps, Villain limps, Hero raises to 20, folds to Villain who calls. Stacks 500 effective

Flop ($52) Jd6d6h
Villain checks, Hero bets 40, Villain raises to 120. Hero?

This seems to be a spot that I run into a lot now at 2/5. Should I even be raising this hand pre? Didn't want to play oop and wanted to get rid of other limpers or a squeeze. Should I be checking back this flop or use a smaller sizing? Thanks in advance
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01-31-2017 , 03:48 PM
fold
cbet 25-30 or check
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01-31-2017 , 04:05 PM
After tons of limps over limping is fine but after 2 limps yes raise. $25.

Flop is fine but size down a smidge bc it's pretty dry. Your whole range here is fine betting 30-35.

Yes fold now. His range is strong flush draws and 6x. He made it really easy for you which live players love to do.
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01-31-2017 , 04:58 PM
Pre is fine, maybe $25. Over limping unknowns would be my preference at this point in the session, especially from MP vs. an EP limper.

Flop - $30 will do the trick. Fold now, not enough equity to continue profitably.
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01-31-2017 , 07:46 PM
If I just sat down and didn't know any of the players I'd rather fold this being in MP and all. If I was going to play it I think raise>fold>limp.

As played I'm folding to his raise. If your cbet was a bit smaller I think this hand is played pretty standard.

NH
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01-31-2017 , 08:45 PM
Taking a shot and read less, fold pre
Easy fold now
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01-31-2017 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Taking a shot and read less, fold pre
Easy fold now
Pretty much this. The less you know about the table, the tighter you want to play.
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01-31-2017 , 11:19 PM
25 pre....25 or 30 flop bet ... fold to raise .
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02-01-2017 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mikev91
Hero is MP with Td9d

UTG limps, Villain limps, Hero raises to 20, folds to Villain who calls. Stacks 500 effective

Flop ($52) Jd6d6h
Villain checks, Hero bets 40, Villain raises to 120. Hero?

This seems to be a spot that I run into a lot now at 2/5. Should I even be raising this hand pre? Didn't want to play oop and wanted to get rid of other limpers or a squeeze. Should I be checking back this flop or use a smaller sizing? Thanks in advance
Honestly, I don't understand why you raise with suited connectors from MP
Don't you want to have a volume pot and see how to play T9 at the flop before committing more chips into the pot?

You know that by raising you knock people out and play a short pot and also know or I assume you got to know that T9 flopping TP or any pair is worthless especially whe you gonna see overs to your hand on the flop.

Now, after you got invested $60 or 12% of stack you gonna fold. There's nothing you can do now but fold.

A
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02-01-2017 , 02:20 AM
Grunch. We don't really know player/table dynamics, the position of the limper, or your position, so it's hard to evaluate the decision of your preflop raise. In a vacuum, (assuming good postflop skills - a heavy assumption) isolating with T9s in LP is standard.

Stacks aren't deep enough and you don't have strong enough reads for a call.
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02-01-2017 , 03:45 AM
Preflop is fine.

Bet half pot, plenty of other hands you want to put into your half pot bet range, trips, Jx overpairs, then balance it with bluffs like fds, overcards with Ad put complete garbage, and middle pps into your checkback range
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02-01-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Tilty_McDonkawhirl
... isolating with T9s in LP is standard.
Based upon experience I can say that (“isolating with T9s in LP is standard”) is not profitable in this case. First we are not in LP but MP and Second, even if we LOL.. be jumping in LP.. we would be raising like the LOL ... “standard” a few limpers that probably be folding and what we get? .. little LOL.. crumbs. No good!

In live, LLNL games, we win money by doubling up or busting people. Anything else makes you fall victim to running card dead and rake+toke on small pots.

In order to win a respectable amount of money we got to play big pots. And that occurrence is approximate 2-3 times per hour. We flop TP with some combo draw plus some “phantom LOL outs” in the bag, a set, have some nut flush draw plus pair, hit our straight...etc. Most of times the big pot we’re looking for does not materialize. The opponent misses gets LOL.. scared and bails out. Or we just miss the flop have nothing to work with while opponent take away the lead from us.

On average of 2 hours we play a big pot and we are ahead every time but LOL... not always win. On rare occasion we lose.

When we go card dead, our draws go in the muck, our AK misses 2 out of 3 times and got no flop texture to use for stealing. Our stack and profits slowly evaporate until we hit our average hourly $$ rate.

If we play TAG this is the usual result, three chances an hour and one big pot every other hour. We can play like a LOL.. expert LAG and based upon a lot of my observation and experience the results will be the same.

So, the T9 is not a hand we can do a lot of damage from MP. That's an honest opinion based on my vast experience in live Vegas games.

A

Last edited by Autist; 02-01-2017 at 02:53 PM.
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