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Second nut flush on paired board facing river decision Second nut flush on paired board facing river decision

05-24-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Gettingood
3bet pre

As played, b/b/b this runout and aim to play for stacks.

Your c/r ott is super nutted. What bluffs do you have after c/calling the flop?

Calling the river vs unknown and expecting villain to bluff very little (random Adx), overvalue worse from time to time (67dd,79dd,Q9dd,9xAd,QJ) and beat us often but not often enough to make this a fold.

Shorn. Getting 3:1 isn’t 33% it’s 25% equity reguirement. How did you not know this? It’s day one stuff. No offence, I’m just suprised. Better Late than never though, right?
I did know, just a brain fart.
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05-24-2018 , 02:50 PM
c/c flop is the actual nut low.

It being 4 ways I probably lead flop for a PSB to get value from naked Ad or a sticky AK, hoping to get raised by lower flushes or sets and GII. But if you're going to check, for the love of all that is holy this is a mandatory c/r.
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05-30-2018 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
I have the J so QJ/J9 are not possible. Q9 is the only value hand I see villain maaaybe jamming river for value. There's no way villain thinks 76 or 97 is good here after my X/R OTT, and I doubt he's sophisticated enough to turn those hands into a bluff.

After thinking about this hand some more and seeing the feedback here, I mostly agree with Chris that this should be a fold OTR against this specific villain. I don't see him bluffing with AX almost ever, especially since my line is almost always a flush. He has 7 combos of boats/quads and 6 combos of the NF that I'm losing to.

Anyways, results for those interested:
Spoiler:
I call river jam, villain shows 55 for flopped set/rivered boat.
I’m shocked.

It may or may not be a trivial fold in real time, but once you have time to analyze this hand it really is a trivial fold.
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05-30-2018 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I’m shocked.

It may or may not be a trivial fold in real time, but once you have time to analyze this hand it really is a trivial fold.
Yeah, the "ask your Mom" test of LLSNL comes through again.

"Hey Mom, some guy just called my turn checkraise and then shoved river on a board pair. This guy never bluffs. Any ideas?"

"Well son, I don't know the rules of poker, but is it possible he has a strong hand which somehow got even stronger as a result of the board pairing?"

"Thanks, Mom! You're the best!"
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05-31-2018 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Yeah, the "ask your Mom" test of LLSNL comes through again.

"Hey Mom, some guy just called my turn checkraise and then shoved river on a board pair. This guy never bluffs. Any ideas?"

"Well son, I don't know the rules of poker, but is it possible he has a strong hand which somehow got even stronger as a result of the board pairing?"

"Thanks, Mom! You're the best!"


TIL my mom is better than me at the pokers. IRL I snap called like an idiot and didn't even think about the boat. I blame the fact that it was 5am and I should've gone to sleep like 6 hours ago. I feel like my biggest non-game leak is never leaving at the time I say I will when I walk into the casino...
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05-31-2018 , 04:08 AM
Break,

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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
I blame the fact that it was 5am and I should've gone to sleep like 6 hours ago. I feel like my biggest non-game leak is never leaving at the time I say I will when I walk into the casino...

I have an ideal stopping time, a hard stop time, and a REAL HARD STOP time. I try my best to not stay later than REAL HARD STOP.

The problem is, when these stopping times come around, you’re always either winning, losing, or even...
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05-31-2018 , 03:51 PM
Agreed, I need to start setting alarms on my phone. I find my concentration drastically decreases after 6-7 hours on the felt, but I still find it extraordinarily difficult to pry myself away...

I also find it much easier to leave on time when I'm up or break even. When I'm down I just want to keep playing until I'm unstuck, which is losing a vicious cycle that leaves me stuck even more
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05-31-2018 , 04:22 PM
Break,

I don’t get a chance to play very often these days, so I just like to play as long as I can when I do play.

However, back when I used to play every day, a simple rule I followed really helped me maximize my earn. When I was losing, I’d leave earlier, and when I was winning, I’d stay longer.

Of course variance has a ton to do with whether you win or lose in any given session. But overall, winning is positively correlated with better games, playing better, more confidence, better table image, etc. And there was a positive cumulative effect too of people thinking I’m always a winner because they see me a lot more when I’m winning.

And of course there are exceptions to the rule like when just getting unlucky time after time with the biggest idiots spewing money to everyone else in the game but somehow beating you every hand. Definitely want to stay in those games as long as possible even when losing.
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