Chef, while I admit that your topic isn't the world's best, my mini-rant was more directed at some of the drivel filled responses, not your thread. You're not the first person to make a run-bad thread.

On just a slight side note. What you think are 2 outters and 3 outters aren't really as bad as you think.

Ex. AA vs KK. It's 80-20. Which means you are losing 1 out of 5 times if it gets AI PF which it usually does and all 5 cards run out. In your head you're thinking OMG 2 outs!! so sick!! But look at the math and think about it and you will come to realize that this is a very common occurrence.

Even when they have 1 out they still have 2% to win going into the river. That is actually a significant amount. Sometimes I think people condition themselves to think that the chance of hitting 1 or 2 outs are like hitting the lottery. That's why they are so in shock and awe when it happens to them. Anyone who's grinded SNGs or cash games online knows how frequent they are.

So IMO those don't really count as run bad for me. If I did I believe I would lose my mind. The ones I really consider two outters and such is when all the money gets in with 1 card to come and they hit. But then I am just consoled by the fact that I am in a game where I can get such action being such a huge favorite.

Source?

lol wat?

This. It can go on and on and on and on.

it's just a summary of how the hands went down, all I was saying was that I got the money in over 75% favorite (not the first hand) and lost 3 times in 3 hours

1. family pot, I was the big blind with Q3o..I checked...flop came Q 9 3 with a flush draw I think..small blind came out bet pot (10BB), I made it 30BB and he called (I knew he had a Q there so ofc I was trying to stack him), on the turn he had about 50BBs behind..so we got it in when he hit his 7

2. big blind with K10s, I think there were about 4 callers before me for a 6BB raise, so I was priced in to call (spewy maybe, but I can easily fold a K to aggression), flop came K 10 X with 2 spades, checked to the co (who's an old nit that would only bet with tptk), I knew he's never folding AK in that spot, and I don't wanna have a scary turn card so he won't stack off in that spot, so I shipped for over 200 (huge overbet to anyone decent, but I knew he wasn't folding his K there), and he called with KQo

3. very loose villain make it 6BB, I 3 bet to 20BB with JJ, and he called. flop came 9 high, I shipped for about 60BBs behind (representing overbet with AK), sure enough he called with his Q9s and hit a Q on the turn

No, the first problem is that you made a thread on a subject that has been discussed to death on 2+2 after you shared several bad beat stories.

Tilt is individual. Different things tilt people. Some people are more susceptible to tilt than others. You in the end can't eliminate it, but at best will minimize the effect it has on your game by learning to accept that tilting stuff will happen. That takes a combination of factors including understanding that having a 90% chance of winning doesn't mean you win every time. Having a large enough bankroll that losing a BI doesn't hurt. The ability to not let what happened in the past affect you now.

Expecting that a two paragraph post is going to significantly help you in resolving these issues is unrealistic. Your thread is like the threads that come up asking, "I'm a winner in my home game and am going to a casino poker room in 4 hours for the first time. What do I need to know in order to win?"

I suggested Tommy Angelo because he has several books out, articles, and a website that provide his basis for reducing tilt that have been helpful to me and many others. Within those resources, there a many individual ideas that in combination will help. Since you are impatient for help, I'll suggest one of my favorites. The next time you get aces in EP, muck them pf. It will be a liberating experience.

So then, what do you consider run bad?

Exactly what I just said. I very rarely stack off with JJ and just because I have an overpair to a 9 high flop why the heck would I still feel comfortable stacking off with such a marginal hand? Fish who try to double up with just JJ high usually go busto. You really think that villain has exactly 10 10 or A 9 in that spot?

Basically what Im saying is...plz learn how to play JJ. Stacking off with it unimproved is horrible.

As others have said it's all relative, but I was just pointing out that most of the time it is blown out of perspective.

I guess anything outside of 1 std dev of normal luck would be run bad. I was just trying to say that it shouldn't be shocking that you get sucked out on in that fashion time after time again. You just have to realize that it's a very normal fluctuation of the game. If you're not ok with that I don't think the game is for you long term.

When I have a losing streak of a couple sessions wherein I either spew chips or suffer a bad beat I do the following:

1) Take a day off to reevaluate the key hands that keyed my session results and look to see if I played bad or was truly unlucky.

2) During my next session I focus on playing as well as possible until I win a significant pot and then I take a 10-15 minute break to evaluate the players at my table and focus on playing a sound strategy for the various player types there. I find this to be very helpful and really helps build into a strong winning session.

While there may be other threads that talk about these topics before there is nothing wrong with starting new threads for people that are still newer to these forums. It is always better to start fresh dialogue to allow new opinions to be discussed.

--Dizzle

I disagree, if the fish are willing to stack off with their TPTK on a 9 high board on the flop, why wouldn't you take advantage of that.....sure against good players you will almost never get called by worse on the flop in that spot..but if you are not ready to ship it when you are 75-25 favorite, then when are you gonna ship?

Stack sizes ?? JJ oop in bloated multi way pots is a situation lots of villains find themselves in. Most miss played hand oop IMO

People who have never run bad put me on life tilt. I have no problem whatsoever believing the OP. I have personally experienced much worse runs both live and online. Hell, my reaction to the OP was "lol, that's not running bad--that's nothing!"

@OP: that's a pretty bad run, but if you at long enough, you'll probably have worse runs.

The rational thought that helps to calme down when I am running bad is "in a big sample improbable events are certain to occur." the emotional pep talk I give myself is what others have said: "you got it in about as well as you can--fish suck out, it's what they do."

The situation was that I 3 bet (20BB) a loose player (opened to 6BB), and heads up..he checked a 9 high flop and I shipped for 60BB to represent AK, and he called me with Q9s...I don't know..so how would you have played it? bet 20BB on the flop, and fold the turn when a Q comes?

Did you think he always check call a shove with weaker hands ?? That's a nice villain to call your over bet there what if he had missed with a small p.p. Does he still call ? The flop was so perfect here !!I don't like the shove because all hands that u beat without a 9 in them are probably folding except 1010 only sets are calling obviously it would be really wierd do him to show up with QQ+ u have to give him some rope here I lead out 75 ship turn unless I have a real good read that he will only lead out in these spots with top pair or better huge overbet shove on flop is not optimal. Anyway this is very standard u loose 1 time in five that's pretty frequent !

IMO playing Q3 with a flopped 2 pair, I want to end the hand ASAP. I am not trying to raise and price the guy in to call. He bet, you raise to an amount that he can't call as long as your read is good that he only has TP.

As far as this post goes, when I start to run bad, I adjust by playing smaller pots. For example, buying in for less or drop down in stakes. Then ride out the storm, get some confidence back, then go back to playing my game.

After reading this about the way you played that hand...I think that I am starting to see a major leak in your cash game strategy.

Plz remember one thing. Cash games are not to be confused with tournaments. Sometimes in tournaments these types of overshoves are +EV for the simple reason that there are lots of blinds and antes in the pot worth getting. But not so much in cash.

Truth to be told I was a bit tilting when I played this hand..this was the last of the three and at that point I just was wondering what else could possibly go wrong on that day. I played with that certain villain before, he's very loose and would open raise with any middle pair,Ax,or two suited somewhat connected cards. so my JJ were way ahead of his opening range, and after he just flatted my 3 bet I knew for sure he didn't have a real hand. (seen him 4 bet all in with JJ before)

Flop came 9 high and my SPR was about 1.5:1, and against that certain villain, I felt if his cards were in anyway connected to the board that he was gonna call me there

I feel that poker is such a player dependent game that against that particular villain I didn't play poorly in that hand. if I was up against an old nitty player then obviously I'd have played it quite differently by not shoving the flop with an overpair

You said he was a loose player?

Remember this: the way to beat loose players is to not bluff them and just keep showing down good hands against them. JJ is a good hand, but not the nuts. Why did you feel the need to 3 bet him pre-flop? It doesn't sound like he ever folds so why build the pot so fast with just a marginal pair of JJ's?

if you're serious, i would really like to sit at your table.

you 3-bet preflop because you have the best hand and you want to win a big pot against this kind of player. as shown, he's going to stack off with Q9 on a 9-high flop in a 3-bet pot. if you are not taking advantage of this every time you get the chance, you are leaving money on the table.

the other reason to 3-bet this hand is because you want to isolate and play headsup with the fish.

Lol at this whole thread, particularly trav's ridiculous poker "logic".

I've let this one run long enough.

Locked.